Ep 22 Divine Worth Podcast: Love over fear with Jennie Moss

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Welcome to the divine worth podcast, where we are letting go of our self doubt anxiety, fear, and limiting beliefs so that we can step into the divine roles that God has for us. I am your host life coach, Karen Papin, and together we are embracing our divine worth.

Karen: Welcome to the Divine Worth Podcast. Today our special guest is Jenny Moss. She is the host and founder of the Latter Day Ladies podcast. Each episode is centered on hope and resilience in the Savior’s power to heal. Drawing from her personal journey of overcoming challenges like cancer, depression, and abuse, Jenny speaks openly about her journey with Jesus.

You can find her Christ centered artwork on Instagram at the latter day ladies and the latter day ladies. com. She loves her sweetheart Aaron, mothering her five children and lives in Southern Arizona. So Jenny, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. [00:01:00] I’m excited to talk with you and hear what you have to say.

To begin, I would like to hear about your journey with understanding your divine worth and What that looks like for you.

Jennie Moss: So I did not have a whole lot of thoughts about that for a long time in my life because I couldn’t connect to the like understanding of what divine worth was. I felt like it applied to everybody around me.

I could see it in other people really easily, but I didn’t feel like it necessarily applied to me. And, a lot of that was tied up in abuse and, not yet processing through things like, understanding my own worth outside of being, a victim of abuse. And so, it was probably about seven years ago.

I read a talk by Tanner Callister and he quoted President Nelson and [00:02:00] he said, you know, we’re in this meeting, a bunch of seventies. And we asked the question, like, what would you do to teach someone who is struggling with pornography? Like, what would you say to them? And President Nelson said, teach them their identity and purpose.

And that hit me. Really, in a really profound way, because I was like, I don’t know if I know my own identity and purpose. And as I started digging into that, I found President Nelson saying it so many different places. And it felt like it was almost like yelling out to me from anything that I studied in the scriptures, any talk that I was reading, I was like, Oh, this is really important.

And I don’t have an answer for it individually. So I started praying and asking the Lord. to help me identify like, who I was initially and who I was to him and how that could affect our relationship. And it was almost like I knew [00:03:00] all of the gospel principles before that. I had taught them on my mission.

I had taught them in class, like, situations. But it was like, I was learning it for the very first time. And I remember going through, preach my gospel and reading the line. God is your loving heavenly father. And feeling that truth just sit so beautifully on my heart and thinking, goodness, like God loves me.

He loves me. He created me like, this is incredible. Does everybody know this? this is an amazing thing. And as I started connecting all of those. Basic doctrines that are deeply profound and reading my patriarchal blessing and, going back on notes that I had taken from blessings that I had received in my childhood and youth.

And, I started to see. Almost like the Lord creating this picture of who I was and who he could see I was, and then I saw that there was a disconnect on [00:04:00] what I could see that I was. And so I kind of asked God to lead me, and, lead my understanding of who I was and to help me almost like erase the false narratives that I had created about who I was and help me receive the things that he knew to be true.

And a lot of that journey has been guided through scripture study and, through sitting and I would say it’s like meditating, but it, I call it like sitting and receiving where you just sit in, silence, you go, you know, into a safe place in your home or outside. Sometimes I do it in the car where I just asked the Lord to teach me if there’s something that he wants to say to me and just sit and wait until I can receive that.

Yeah. And I feel like in the last seven years, the value of understanding who I was just completely instructed what my purpose was. If I knew who I [00:05:00] was, then I could know what he wanted me to do and why I was here and what my purpose was with my children or my husband or the people around me.

And it has brought a color and a vitality to my life that, truly brought me joy because I was so depressed at that time. And I had, Just really big struggles with all of the deep, dark depression and suicidal ideation and learning who I was and learning why I was here saved me, saved me.

Speaker 2: It’s interesting just how integral, Understanding who you are, and then also having this divine purpose, like there is a purpose for you, how, those two things are so integral, yeah, that’s good.

Yeah. No. [00:06:00] So how, have you seen that show up since then? What are the steps that you took to really apply that understanding into your life?

Jennie Moss: Well, one thing that I’ve noticed lately is, so I love, I love talking to people, especially Perfect Strangers. I love talking to people.

I love finding out, The things that are special about them. I’ve always loved that ever since I was a kid and one thing that I’ve recognized as part of my purpose is helping people see the things that are so beautiful and special themselves. And like, if I go to the park with my kids and my kids are all playing and I’m sitting next to a mom.

I feel like part of my purpose is to connect and show up for them and whatever they need and be able to reflect to them the things that I see that are beautiful about them. And this has brought me so much joy in my own life, but it’s [00:07:00] also brought me some really special friendships. And that this Amazing girl a couple years ago, because I bought a backpack from her from Facebook marketplace and, I came and bought it and I could just feel like I could feel her goodness just standing in front of her and I almost couldn’t help myself from saying, like, do you know what a good mom you are and she just just Burst into tears and I am also not a touchy person, but I wrapped my arms around her and just hugged her for a minute.

And I said, you’re doing such a good job. And we really only talked for a couple of minutes. We went home and I just set a prayer for her as I drove home, because I could tell there were things that were heavy on her heart. And then she messaged me when I got home and said, hey, can I come to church with you?

And she was like, well, I mean you can tell . And I was like, okay, yeah, come to church with me. And she ended up getting baptized. [00:08:00] And I really think that heavenly father knows how to intersect those things that are so specific about us. And the things that are specific about others and be able to match spiritual gifts or the needs of others.

And I’ve had that happen to me so many times where people’s spiritual gifts are literally the thing that I needed to keep going and, it has brought me so much joy to see just small. And simple conversations bring about great friendships and great love and worship of Christ. And it really doesn’t matter whether or not someone is going to the same congregation of church as I am.

We can minister to each other in that love of God and. It has been really powerful. So that’s one specifically for me, but I would say if someone is looking for their own, the things that [00:09:00] are making them special and how they can develop that is praying to know reading your patriarchal blessing, seeing those spiritual gifts.

And then praying to know and identify what those things are within yourself. And one thing Wendy Nelson, encouraged to do about spiritual gifts is she said, ask the people around you that know you well. Ask them and make a list. And, she talked about how there are infinite spiritual gifts. You, can pray and ask the Lord to develop those things.

Like I never wanted to watch anybody else’s kids. I was so overwhelmed for so long as a mom. And I had this friend here who would watch people’s kids all the time. And I was like, how do you do this? You are magic. And then I realized I could pray and ask the Lord to help me want to do that. And I did. And now I love it.

And I love other people’s kids and I love having them in my home. And I love the noise and I love the mess. And we can ask the Lord if we say, Hey, Heavenly father, I want to Be a better young [00:10:00] women’s leader. How can I connect better with the girls? Like we can literally ask for those gifts see that part of our purpose is magnifying or calling and then just receive that and do it And god wants to partner with us in those things and he wants to give us these answers But slowing down and being willing to receive those things.

I mean it literally can change our entire life. It’s incredible

Speaker 2: I love that, like, just the, it’s the importance of being still and taking that time and slowing down. And, then also just what you’re saying, it’s we all have, natural spiritual gifts within us. And then we can also, Develop these other spiritual gifts that we see and admire and other people as well.

Yeah,

I love those examples that you’re sure to. so I’m curious, like what? Okay, so you had [00:11:00] this example. Are there other times where you’ve seen or desired spiritual gifts? You shared wanting to be able to enjoy watching other people’s kids more. what are some other spiritual gifts that you’ve been able to develop? So

Jennie Moss: this one, might be a little bit harder to identify as it’s happening, but it truly has changed my life and my relationships with others.

And that was, I started doing therapy two years ago, I had things I needed to work through and talk through with the abuse and, I needed to really be able to let those things go. And I prayed. And ask the Lord to help me like literally asking the person who could take these things away to help me give them to him because there were some things like, not having a lot of trust in others, especially with my own Children.

I always was so [00:12:00] afraid that people could hurt my kids. And I knew that I could lead with love rather than fear, but I couldn’t figure out how to do that. I knew I needed to let go of the fear first. And so I prayed for weeks and weeks and said, Lord, please help me learn how to give this fear to you and instead replace it with love and trust.

In, your capacity to let, like, let me know if there are things that I can protect my kids from or that I need to protect them from, but also help me trust in the fact that they are going to have things that hurt them along the way in their journey. And. That is what your purpose is to be their savior and for them to be able to turn to you and not try to prevent any, growing experience from happening.

Because I was so afraid of them being hurt. And so I prayed and prayed and prayed [00:13:00] to. Release the fear and receive love and I remember there was one day in particular where I like It might sound strange But I like drew it on a piece of paper like what the fear looked like and then I tore it up and I tore Up the fear and I put it in the trash and I was like not mine anymore.

It’s the Savior’s I don’t want it. I’m going to give it to him. And then I am like, almost like sat and imagined the place where the fear was in my heart and imagined, what it would feel like to be filled with his love. And I asked the Lord to help me fill it with his love. And I felt just all the fruits of the spirit being like affirming the fact that I was doing the step that needed to be done to help me move forward.

It’s a very intentional thing because that fear comes back up if something else happens. Right. But then I continually, I’m like, okay, I’m going to give the fear [00:14:00] away and receive love again. And I can do that over and over and I feel like it’s helped me recognize too, that if there are other things that I need in my life, like being able to trust my kids, primary teachers.

I can pray for that and I can ask for that. And now I, feel like I have such a loving trusting bond with my children’s primary teachers, but that was like a big, that was a big hurdle for me to overcome. and. The space that I feel now in that area specifically is just so many more of the fruits of the spirit.

And it’s not like the Lord hasn’t given me, like little warnings and things to, to notice with my kids and help educate them and things like that. But leading with love rather than fear was a pretty, pretty big one for me.

Speaker 2: I love that. I have kids who struggle with like major [00:15:00] anxiety and I remember doing something very similar.

I did like a prayerful meditation where I just imagined handing the anxiety that I had for my kids is anxiety. over to the Lord. And it was such a powerful experience. And it opened me up to more love. And pretty much what you’re saying, right? It opens you up to more love. And I think that there’s like this limiting belief that we hold on to when it comes to fear, that if we let go of the fear, then that means I’m saying, Oh, it’s okay that bad things will happen.

Totally. Yeah. What, would you say to someone who has that limiting belief?

Jennie Moss: I think there’s a, lot of power in recognizing where that comes from. for me, it, it was pretty easy to stem it back to the abuse, like there was a pretty easy line that could be drawn. But I was talking with one of my [00:16:00] children who has a lot of anxiety about our dog running away.

Like, he, will start having a panic attack if the front door is open and he doesn’t know where our dog is. And so we went and we sat on his bed one day and I was like, okay, buddy, let’s talk about that. Like, what, is going through your mind as you’re, really concerned about, Rosie running out and he’s like, well, anything can happen.

And what about this and this and this? And I said, okay, why don’t we make a plan, to be really mindful of where Rosie is when we open the front door. But also, why don’t we train Rosie to stand in the front yard and not run into the street? And he was like, yeah, yeah, that’s it. I was like, yeah, totally.

And we can do that. With our like, a lot of our fears are about specific scenarios happening. And so if we can understand what those scenarios are, it’s almost like, we can [00:17:00] create ways to soften that fear so that it can be expanded a little bit because our perception of the world. Have you ever heard of the perception window?

It’s something I heard of in college, this, man who is brilliant. He taught this class that my husband and I both took before our missions. And he talks about this window, and he says, everybody has a window looking out to the world and Christ is behind the window based on our life experiences. We can have stickers that get put up because of labels or situations that we’ve had that have been negative.

We can have stickers put up on our window, so it can impair our ability to see Christ. Or see the world, and there can be sin, you know, sin can be mud that’s thrown up on the window, and it can impair our ability to see Christ in the world. And based on our life experience, we can have a lot of things that can impair that visibility, that understanding, that perception of who Jesus is, what he’s [00:18:00] capable of, and what the world truly has to offer us.

And so I feel like anyone who is feeling like they’re bound by their fear, feeling, feeling like there’s really only this amount of my life that I can play in that’s safe. I understand that. I have totally been there. Part of the process of expanding that is first. giving yourself patience as you uncover what the stickers are, uncover what the mud is, under, uncover the things that are preventing you from seeing the Savior, from seeing the world around you, and like lowly but surely giving yourself compassion as you look at what those stickers are, recognizing like, hey, you know what, this may not be serving me anymore, and being able to give that back to Christ, right?

But the process Is one that we can do with the savior because sometimes there are things where we have like really intense anxiety about something and we cannot figure out where in the heck it came from. I [00:19:00] have like major anxiety about travel. Like, I don’t know where that’s from, but I do not like to travel.

And so I’ve had to give myself a lot of grace as I’ve tried to. Understand, is it the mass amounts of people? Is it this? And give myself the opportunity to push against that fear so that I can, expand my capabilities, my life, be able to visit family and friends, but also give myself the space to get curious and figure out the things that are impeding me to see the world and to see Christ in that situation.

And if we slow down. And invite the Savior in to help us see what we’re missing. he will 100 percent open up our capacity to see what’s going around, like, around us and what is blocking us. And I found, too, that as I uncover elements of my perception window, I can see myself more. There’s a [00:20:00] reflection.

As I see the Savior more clearly, I can see myself more clearly. And I’m able to Remove those limiting beliefs about myself and remove those stories that are no longer serving me like that. Everybody else has divine worth, except for me, that is not true anymore. And I don’t feel it’s true in my heart because I’ve done the work to remove it, to give it to Christ and to move forward with it.

Speaker 2: I love how. Expansive it is when, you’re really embracing that love and turning things over to Christ. And it’s like, when we have that fear, it’s, restrictive. I love your example of traveling because it’s like, you’re not going and seeing the world because of this fear. It’s restricting you from being able to open you up to possibilities.

And yet when you embrace, when you turn that fear over to God and yes, understand it, But turn it [00:21:00] over to God and allow his love within, fill you, then it’s like expansive. And he’s got this greater vision than we do. And so it’s like, he, sees so many more possibilities. And so it’s, expansive. That’s, what came to my mind as you were talking.

Jennie Moss: It’s powerful. To recognize too that the Lord knows that there are things that limit us right now. And he is actively putting things in our life to help us grow. So it’s not to come in and hurt us. It’s to come in and open us because that opening and that letting go of fear actually allows us to have more love and more of the fruits of the spirit in our life.

And Even though some of the work that I’ve done in the last couple years has been tough, and I’ve had to really recognize some of the [00:22:00] things that were hurting me and process through them and give them over to the Savior continually, I have felt closer to Christ. Closer to Kevin and more aligned with him now than ever before.

And so those fears that I thought were keeping me comfortable were in fact just keeping me further away from what I was capable of receiving.

Speaker 2: So you have your kids, you have, your podcast, you have your art, you, have this, actually, you know what I really want to ask you about is your art. Okay.

I, would like to hear about how. Like this understanding of your identity and worth has played a part in, your artwork. Oh,

Jennie Moss: I never painted people. Like I started really being interested and painting [00:23:00] every single day when my son was born 11 years ago. And I had a wedding business and I did, like fine art, illustration and, watercolor and stuff for years and years for people’s weddings.

And I loved it. And right before the pandemic hit, the Lord said, you need to close your business. And I was like, Oh, but Heavenly Father, it’s like, I finally don’t have to, hustle for marketing. I’m getting consistent clients. Like, really? And he’s like, yeah, no, you need to close it. And thank goodness.

I listened because the pandemic hit like 2 weeks later and I would have had to close it. Stop all the projects anyway, because no one was getting married and I’m so grateful for that. But I stopped painting for about a year and a half and I was this was deep in my studies of identity and purpose and understanding the divine [00:24:00] elements within ourselves.

And I. this deep desire to paint Jesus and to represent him and his relationship with his sisters specifically. And I painted several paintings and they were awful. And, the skin texture was not good. And so I was like, okay, maybe this isn’t good. Maybe I should do something else.

And the Lord was like, no, keep painting. So I kept painting. And the, actually. This one up here, little guy up there. So it’s, a painting of this woman and Jesus Christ is right next to her. And then there are angels all around her. And during my really difficult period of time, I received a blessing and I was digging so deep, trying to find my worth and my identity and purpose.

And I had a [00:25:00] blessing that I could physically feel the room was crowded with Kevin and I felt like my grandma next to me and and Jesus Christ and like angels in the room and it was one of the most incredible experiences of my life and I wanted to retain, a remembrance of, Feeling so surrounded with love and support, but also be able to share that feeling with someone who is feeling so dark, because if you see in the painting, her face is so sullen and she’s so wrapped up in her pain and so that was 1 of the 1st pieces where I was I felt like I understood what I was supposed to do as an artist, where I was painting Jesus Christ with his sisters, but [00:26:00] painting him with his sisters who are really struggling.

The ones who were experiencing grief all by themselves, the ones who were like the woman with the issue of blood, where she was actively in a state of faith for 12 years before she found the savior, and then even when she found him, she reached out for him. And I wanted to paint and depict the Savior and his relationship with others in that kind of depth of faith and hurt and, the beauty that can come from when we are struggling so deep, but we find that connection with Christ.

And so. My paintings, at first were all very personal to my own personal experience, and then they’ve kind of expanded to things that people share with me. Like, right now, I’m [00:27:00] painting something that a friend who was really, really sick had this experience. And so I’m painting her very, very ill with all these angels around her because she felt like they were all touching her with a hand and, it’s been.

So, filling to paint a portrait where you can feel like the joy of Jesus in like the way that his cheeks are, are just like so filled with light and happiness and like the way that his eyes sparkle. Cause I imagine when he looks at us, like his eyes sparkle, he’s so excited to connect with us. And so this whole journey of feeling so incapable of painting and then finally finding, my purpose, that’s what’s fueled the desire to keep pushing my skills and keep looking for ways to connect myself to [00:28:00] the Savior, other ways that people have told me they’ve connected to the Savior, and I feel like it’s a group project.

I don’t feel like it’s, I don’t feel like it’s my art. I feel like it’s all of our art, and it’s His art, and it’s like, Our experiences with him, because the paintings that I’ve created would not have happened if it wasn’t for this whole group of people, Reacting and interacting with it and the inspiring things that people say, oh, this connected me here.

And then I’m like, oh, that makes me think of a new painting, so I feel like the faith of so many have helped me. Come to find my purpose as an artist even better. And so I’m so grateful. They were willing to share their spiritual gifts and their spiritual experiences and their insights and thoughts.

I mean, it’s changed everything for me.

Speaker 2: I love how you talk about it being, a group project. [00:29:00] and

thank

you so much for, sharing about that and, for sharing your art to, what gave you the courage to, to start sharing it with others?

Jennie Moss: I don’t know. Okay. So. I feel like, have you ever had the experience where it’s almost like you felt this closeness with Christ or with heaven and it kind of like spills out of you because you’re so excited to share it with someone else. And that’s how it all started where I was. Painting to help with some postpartum and then I was like, Oh, this is awesome.

I’m going to start painting quotes from conference and I started doing all these different things and I wanted to share it not so that necessarily people would appreciate my artwork, [00:30:00] but to inspire them to like, want to find a medium that would make them excited, or even like for a while I was really, really, Obsessed with hands, like the hands of the savior and everything in everything that I was reading everything I was listening to all the podcasts everything I felt was talking about hands.

So I did this whole series on hands and I was just so excited to share it with other people. Like, do you know about Jesus’s hands? They are the hands that save. It was almost like, I let my fear of rejection or people not understanding what I was doing, I let it, go to the side. And I allowed my excitement for what I was learning take the forefront.

Because I definitely get scared, sometimes I’ll work on something and it feels so personal, and it doesn’t resonate with other people. And I’ve learned that’s okay. It’s okay [00:31:00] if there are pieces that are just for me, and it’s okay if there are pieces that come out really, really quick, and I feel like it didn’t take very much effort, and those are the ones that people love.

I’m recognizing that in this group project, we all have different pieces and different parts that we play, and there are going to be certain things that we hold so sacred and so dear, and it’s okay, because that’s indicative of our Individual relationship with Christ and whether or not a piece speaks to someone it’s not really for me to decide.

You know, and it’s kind of like that for just any social media content creation for anyone who’s listening and wondering, like, how do I put myself out there? It’s so vulnerable. There are things that I’ve written that took every single part of me to write and may not have resonated with people, but I imagine it putting like a beautiful little happy, loving gift in front of someone and whether or not they receive it or look at it or [00:32:00] open it or want to interact with it.

I actually have no business in knowing that it’s for them. It’s for God. It’s, Something that helped me build my understanding of a principle or a gospel, theme in my life and whether or not that helps someone else. It really is not up to me. And it really actually will not deter me or encourage me to make more.

Because I feel like this journey of, sharing about the gospel through word and through art, I’ve just brought so much color and vitality to my life. And color and vitality to my relationships. And so I’m going to keep doing it, even if it’s scary.

Speaker 2: That reminds me of Lehi with the tree of life. It’s like he goes and he partakes of the fruit and he’s filled with such joy that he just has to share it with his family. He just absolutely loves it. [00:33:00]

Jennie Moss: Yeah. Yeah. I was always like, Oh yeah, that totally makes sense. Cause I naturally, if I find something I love, I want to tell everybody, even if it’s just broccoli.

I’m like, did you know broccoli is so good? Like when I rediscovered Brussels sprouts, I was shouting it from the rooftops. But the thing that I love the most is the person who has sustained me. So much throughout the years and if he asked me to do something, especially if it’s really uncomfortable like I’m gonna do it I’m sure it was uncomfortable sitting with me day after day in my heart and in my hurt and in my darkness But he did it, but I want to show up for him, too

Speaker 2: What is your favorite divine worth scripture?

Jennie Moss: Probably D& C 1810, right? Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God, and if it so be that you should labor all your days in crying repentance unto the people, and bring, saitheth me, one soul [00:34:00] unto me, how great shall be your joy with him in the kingdom of my Father. And now, if your joy will be great with one soul that you’ve brought unto me in the kingdom of my father, how great shall be your joy if you shall bring many souls unto me?

And I love that scripture. I read it so many times on my mission because I was like, it’s about the joy of bringing one soul. And if that soul is me, like my, joy is going to be so full, but I also want to extend that joy to others and recognize. Their worth and their divine capabilities in this life and let them know that we need them because we do every single person I’ve ever met has played a role in my life, small or large, but all of them were important.

All of them were a piece of the experience that I’ve had in mortality. And if [00:35:00] I have the ability to declare a truth that can help them, even if even just so minutely become closer to Christ. I want to do that because their soul and their worth is great in the sight of God.

Speaker 2: What is one small and simple step that people can take today to really start to embrace their worth? I

Jennie Moss: would say recognize, the words that the Lord uses to describe you and your patriarchal blessing. So if it’s handmaiden, if it’s Divine daughter, if it’s beloved, like whatever those words are, take three of them and then make them into a sentence about yourself. Like I’m a beloved divine daughter of God and saying it to yourself over and over you start recognizing and your spirit feels the truth of that sentence.

Because sometimes we can [00:36:00] be in a headspace where we don’t feel the truth of that when we say it out loud. But the more we say it out loud, our spirit will testify and the spirit will testify the truth of those words and they become. Almost like, they become part of our putting on the armor of God because we know truths about Him, but we can also come to know those truths about ourselves.

And it’s not boastful or prideful because those truths are the things that make up who we are so that we can partner with God in His work. Like the, whole purpose of understanding who we are is to become a, wonderful and amazing light to the world, to reflect the light of Christ, to help others see who they are and what they can do.

And when we can recognize that within ourselves, we’re unstoppable.

Karen: So true. [00:37:00] I love it. I love it. It’s like the more that we embrace God’s vision of who we are, the bigger the light And yeah, we can help others feel to see their worth to help Jenny. Thank you. That, was awesome. Oh, I do have one more question.

Oh, yes. But how can people connect with you?

Jennie Moss: Okay. So the fastest way to get a response for me is on Instagram. I check my DMS in the morning and at night. So Instagram at the latter day, ladies. And then you can also email me directly if you want to talk about something personal or whatever, thelatterdayladiesatgmail.

com, or check out my website. I have links to the Etsy shop, which has some of my artwork, and links to the podcast and stuff, all on my website, so you don’t have to remember all the different places, because sometimes that hurts our brains.

Karen: Right. Awesome. We’ll include [00:38:00] the links to that too in the show notes.

So thank you. Thank you so much. Jenny. This has been such an amazing conversation and I’ve just loved talking to you so much. Karen.

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