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Welcome to the divine worth podcast, where we are letting go of our self doubt anxiety, fear, and limiting beliefs so that we can step into the divine roles that God has for us. I am your host life coach, Karen Papin, and together we are embracing our divine worth.
Welcome to the divine worth podcast today. Our special guest is hayley clark She is a wife mother entrepreneur and convert to the church of jesus christ of latter day saints Haley grew up in Washington State, where she learned about the LDS Church through friends in her teens, and a few years later, she moved to Utah, where she was baptized at age 18.
After pursuing a career as a professional dancer and living in Los Angeles for a few years, she moved back to Utah and met her husband. They were sealed six months after meeting, and now have four kids that she homeschools, plus a baby on the way. Congratulations, by the way. Having her first three kids in two and a half [00:01:00] years was a big challenge that later became an inspiration for Haley’s swimsuit collection, which she designed and the business she created.
As soon as her modest swimsuit company Honeymark launched in 2021, it caught on like wildfire and has since helped tens of thousands of women find the perfect swimsuit that hits the sweet spot of cute and comfortable coverage. Through the highest highs and the lowest lows in both business and life, she has developed a very strong testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ that she shares on social media in small videos and stories.
Haley’s husband is also an entrepreneur owning multiple restaurant concepts and together they live in Utah County. So Haley, thank you so much for coming on here and being willing to share your story with us. Talk with us about divine worth and potential.
Hayley Clark: Yeah. Thank you for having me. I love this topic.
It’s so, so needed right now, especially.
Karen Papin: Yes. It’s something that we can all really use. So I’m excited to [00:02:00] hear more about your story and specifically, I would love to hear how you have seen that God believes in you.
Hayley Clark: Yeah, so I think it’s such a it’s such a like a broad conversation that word like believe is so interesting because we’ve been talking about that I feel like as members of the church like believing in Christ and choosing to believe and so I was feeling very introspective when you asked me about that and turned that back towards me about how I understand and how I’ve seen and how I know that God believes in me.
And one thing that I think it really came to my mind was there’s a quote and now I’m forgetting which conference talk it comes from, but it’s this idea that not only do we trust God, but like God trusts us and how incredible that is to have that relationship. And so in my life, I think
I’ve really been able to see his belief in me whenever he gives me [00:03:00] like these ideas and allows me to move forward with them. I think the biggest one for me is starting my business and seeing that he trusted me with those ideas And so, I’ll explain that a little bit more. When I was, I won’t say my age, but back in 2018, I had just had my third kid, my third baby, and I was just so confused with like kind of where I was at with my life and it had only been two and a half years. And so I was kind of thrown into motherhood with not a ton of help. And I was just feeling like I didn’t really know like who I was. I think a lot of people will talk about losing themselves in motherhood and things like that.
And so I started having these ideas about swimsuits specifically which is kind of a funny thing. Like, nobody really, like, who’s really thinking about swimsuits. I was like, I don’t know why I’m thinking about swimsuits. It’s not like we live in a warm place all the time. We live in Utah. And so it’s like, I was headed to the [00:04:00] beach, but it was something that I was like, worried about, I was concerned about moving forward when my boys would be ages two and one and they were going to want to go out to splash pads and pools.
And I had this new baby and I just wasn’t feeling like myself. And I was trying to figure out, you know, what, what that looks like. And I had heard for years and years, I’d worked in retail at that point for a long time. And so I’d always heard women just like nobody ever loved a swimsuit. Nobody ever felt confident or comfortable in like something that they were wearing.
And finding a modest swimsuit that’s like truly modest is really difficult. And so I just got to work with sketching and having these inspired ideas come to my mind, line upon line, one thing after another. And it wasn’t really even like I was folding my arms and closing my eyes and saying a prayer every minute and then I would receive inspiration.
It just kind of came to me and happened. And I actually love that because [00:05:00] that to me, that right there shows to me that God believes in me, that I wasn’t necessarily Asking for more, but he was like, I’m going to give it to you. I’m going to give you these ideas to start with. I always tell people that I feel like what happened with my company is very much like Nephi and the boat where Nephi wasn’t like, okay, you know, I’m going to pray and like, what should I do next?
Like, yes, he started out that way. But it’s very much like one idea after another kind of just came to him. And that’s definitely how I feel about my company and my business. And the ideas behind it was, it was just like one thing after another, and they all just kind of rolled into each other. enabling me to eventually find a business partner, and I never would have been able to launch without a business partner, without, honestly, this sounds so weird, but, like, without social media, the way that the world was when we launched in 2021, people were still kind of holed up in their houses, but they, Wanted to get out.[00:06:00]
They wanted to travel because this is, you know, post COVID. And so it was actually, it was just a really good time. I was able to use a lot of the skills that I had in like my previous years. And then for things to go so well, so quickly, and organically, like we just really didn’t have to put in that much work for things to kind of just happen that showed me so much that like, God really did believe in me and in what I was doing.
And it’s interesting because I compare that to my business partner when we met and, I guess I interviewed, I don’t know how to do it, to describe, I pitched them my idea. And then after that, I felt really good. And they called me later and decided like, let’s have another meeting.
And when I went in, I was like, okay, so like, how do you guys feel? And they’re like, well, we, we really like you. We believe in you. We want to invest in you and your ideas because I think they just knew that, like, No matter what would happen, I would make something happen, right? Like [00:07:00] I was able to be flexible and things were kind of evolving as we went.
And so they weren’t necessarily investing in my idea. They were investing in me. And that’s always helped me to boost your confidence. And that it’s such a good way to look at. I think that’s how heavenly father. feels about us too is that he invests in us, not necessarily like what we’re doing right then, because what we’re doing right then isn’t what we’re going to be.
That’s not what we’re going to be doing in 50 years. That’s not who we are. That’s not our identity, right? I’m not always going to be a swimsuit designer. That’s just not, that’s not how I always am. It’s not something I always am. It’s not something I was. I didn’t come out of the womb and say I’m a business owner, or a swimsuit designer or whatever it is, right?
Like, I’m evolving too. And so Heavenly Father is invested in me. And it’s been so cool. I never really thought that I would be a business owner and yet it’s taught me so much about how Heavenly Father sees me and the belief that he has in me.
Karen Papin: That’s beautiful. And I love what you’ve said about, [00:08:00] well, first off, I love the comparison of Nephi building the boat.
You know, it’s like this huge task and even his brothers were like, you can’t build a boat, you know? And so, it’s something that he did not know what he was doing. And yet the Lord guided him step by step. So I would love to hear the ways that the Lord kind of prepared you to get to that spot where he started giving you those steps one upon another.
Hayley Clark: Yeah. I would say it started, honestly, every business, every good business idea starts from a problem that somebody has. Right. And you’re trying to solve it. And so growing up, I was a dancer. I was a gymnast. I was always wearing like some type of leotard, basically a swimsuit around.
And my body type just was not, I was not like a ballerina body type. No matter what I did. And so I always [00:09:00] felt uncomfortable. It just was always, even before I was a member of the church, it wasn’t about necessarily being modest. I just wasn’t comfortable. And so right then and there, like that was my problem to be solved from a very, like a pretty young age.
And so even over time, like the things that I learned, like my dance and my gymnastics skills that came into play later on, like, that sounds so funny, but on social media, when we launched, that was like a big thing. I just ended up like dancing in my. And if you think that that’s weird, it’s because the swimsuits are like a full outfit.
It’s like a swim romper. It’s like a swim dress. So you’re fully covered. So I wasn’t necessarily like in a bikini, like dancing. It was like, I was fully covered just to get people’s attention. And so even that I always think, cause now that’s not really a thing. Like people aren’t really doing that anymore.
And so it’s just fascinating to me that in this. And of a few years, things have changed so fast and shifted and I was able to use my [00:10:00] skills to get things going. so that’s just one of the things, but then I also was a, photographer at one point. So, I knew more about lighting and I knew about, posing and things like that and in composition.
And then I worked in retail for a long time. And again, this wasn’t like I felt Oh, this is inspiration straight from heaven. I should start working at a clothing company. It wasn’t, I never had those, this is my big aha moment, but it does feel like all these little things that happened in my life, even though like it may have felt like a challenge at the time, my body issues may have felt like a trial at the time.
It did lead me to what Honeymark became. And my biggest thing, my biggest inspiration, and I will always say this, Was motherhood I could have designed swimsuits and it would have just been another swimsuit. It would have just been something else on the market that pretty much looked the same, but maybe it was a little bit different.
And it was because I was a mom that [00:11:00] I, and I, and a young mom and I had so many kids, like that’s where my full inspiration came from and what I wanted to do to make things a little bit different. To make it so that it was an all in one outfit and it was nursing friendly and you were actually covered and it dries quickly and all these things that I don’t think I would have necessarily worried about as much if I hadn’t had that opportunity to become a mom of three kids so quickly.
and if I didn’t have that desire to kind of like, Re-find myself, I guess. I don’t like that word because I don’t think you ever really lose yourself. I just think we evolve over time. And again, what a great way to show that God trusts us, right? And believes in us that like, he believes that we’re not we won’t stay this way because that’s not how we’re meant to stay right.
Like he, he believes in us so much that he allows us to grow and to change and become something different and better. And just, that’s what I’ve seen in my life to all these little [00:12:00] things that have allowed me to become who I am right now. And because I’ve watched that, I just know I’m going to continue to grow and change and evolve because he believes in me enough to do that, which I think is so beautiful and so exciting to see and change is hard.
Like, I tend to, like, I tend to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let’s hold off on too much change. But I do think it’s, it’s so exciting. To, to watch that happen. And I’m sure he’s excited to watch that happen for us as well.
Karen Papin: I love that. So, so it’s like all these different things kind of compiled together to be able to put you in the position where you need it to be when you need it to be there.
and what I love about that is sometimes we do not know why we’re going through what we’re going through when we are going through it. Yeah. And so just putting your faith and trust in the Lord that he has a greater vision and purpose for what you are doing and where you are going and, and yeah, putting your trust in the Lord because things are [00:13:00] All work together to be able to create your future self.
Hayley Clark: Yeah. Things really do work for your good. Like I, I always thought that that was such like a cheesy, you know, it’s a cheesy scripture and yet like, it’s so true. It really is. It’s one of those things where it’s like, no matter what bad thing you’re going through, you can use that for your good. And I wouldn’t say like, that sounds harsh, but like whatever challenging thing you might be going through, right.
Whatever things that seems bad at the time, because. Like being a young mom, I mean, we had our first two kids 12 months apart. Exactly. Like two weeks and then our next one came 18 months later and we just were, we didn’t have the money for it. We didn’t have the help. Like we were not in a place really to have three kids and it’s a lot.
Once you have your first, you’re like, okay, I actually don’t know what I’m doing. I thought it was kind of like babysitting, but it’s not. And there’s so much to learn and then you’re like busy learning, but then you have another child and then you’re doing it all [00:14:00] over again and you have no sleep and you’re just, your bank account is wiped out.
And it just was a really hard time. And I remember thinking why, like why, why, why, why? And especially in motherhood, it’s really hard. To stick with your spiritual goals, right? It’s like, if I have a goal to wake up, even to say my morning prayers, I mean, you know, you wake up and like, there’s a child by your bed.
Like, so, you have to say your prayers, like while you’re brushing your teeth, and hopefully you remember to do that and nobody’s trying to climb up you while you’re brushing your teeth, you know, even that is really hard, but even that can help you. And I do think, I love the thought that Christ meets us where we’re at, and we see that in the scriptures, especially for women, right?
Men are told to like, climb the mountain, go to the highest point. Like you need to work for it. and Christ meets women where they are. He comes to the woman at the well, he goes to the woman, right? I just think that that’s so important too, To see that, and it’s reflected in the scriptures, but it’s reflected in our lives, too.
And again, just coming back to the fact that, [00:15:00] he believes in us, in the Heavenly Father, in Jesus Christ, they believe in us so much, and they’ll come and help us. Which just proves that they believe in us, because if they didn’t, I don’t think that they would, like, help, right? I don’t think that they would support, I don’t think that they would care, right?
It’s like, I don’t know. There’s that balance, especially with the parent child relationship. You think about your kid playing on the playground and the first time they go down a slide. It’s probably, it seems scary, but you’re like, no, I’ll hold your hands. Like I will help you because I believe you know, that they can do it.
You believe in them, that they can do that. And then the second time it’s like, no, like you’ve got this. I already helped you. Like you can do it yourself. So I do think there’s like a little bit of give and take there, but. I love, I love seeing that. Sorry. That was like a little tangent, but.
Okay. There you go.
Karen Papin: Okay. I love that. Well, and I love that analogy of going down the slide because anytime a child like learning something new, it’s like, okay, you’re guiding them through it. and then it’s like, okay, now you got that proof. You can do [00:16:00] it. And right. And to just trust, like applying it to ourselves, we can put our faith and trust that the Lord is there helping us through it.
And he, he does believe in us. Right.
Hayley Clark: And then we can believe in ourselves because we know that he’s there.
Karen Papin: Awesome. Would you mind telling of a time where you felt resistance to this whole evolving process
Hayley Clark: every day. I think, I mean, resistance from me for sure. Like I said, I don’t, I don’t love change.
but also I think there were times when I definitely was trying to like push for things harder, like before I was actually ready for it. I tried to launch, especially like in business terms, I tried to launch like way before we were ready. I tried to do so many things and God was like, whoa, whoa.
Like let’s, Hang out for a minute. Right? And [00:17:00] then to watch how that things like that, like business stuff, especially when you wrap yourself in it. And that kind of becomes like, you’re consumed by it. anything that you’re consumed by, I think can become like a like it can hinder you because then your worth becomes wrapped up in that. So any time that I have, like when we are launched, didn’t go the way that I expected, or we haven’t done the sales that we wanted to do, or we didn’t, people don’t like a color that I picked or whatever it is, right? Like if I’m wrapped up in that.
It becomes like a hindrance to me and to my growth because something that I have learned and grown from right is that that’s not where my identity lies. That’s not where my worth lies is in my talents, no matter what I’m doing right as a dancer. I went to a competition if I didn’t win [00:18:00] first place or if I didn’t win any, you know what I mean?
It’s, you kind of start to think in your head, well, then I must not be good enough or I must not be talented or this must not be what I’m supposed to be doing. Right. And that happens in motherhood too. I think it’s definitely one of those things where, if you had a bad, you had a bad mom day, which we all have bad mom days where we maybe we yelled a little bit too much, or we weren’t very present or whatever it might be. When we wrap ourselves up in that, I think that hinders us immediately from the growth because that’s not who we are. That’s like what we’re doing, right? Like, yes, I’m a mom, but that’s not, I don’t necessarily think that Heavenly Father’s like, yes, that’s who you are, right?
Again, I wasn’t born and, like, became a mom, you know? I was born, I’m Haley, Who is that? And then who am I evolving into? And I think there’s definitely going to be resistance, but there’s also opposition in all things. One of my favorite analogies is, I’m such an [00:19:00] analogy person, so you’ll probably, I’ll say a million of them but is the arrow, right?
Like when an arrow has to be pulled back to propel forward. And I think that’s so important to remember because we will face opposition. We will face resistance. Like that’s just a natural part of life and we get to decide what we do with that and how that helps us to propel forward and how that helps us to grow and evolve and.
Become more like Christ is. I think that’s the whole goal.
Karen Papin: I love that. And I, yeah, go ahead and share your analogies. ’cause I, I love them . So, yeah. So kind of going back and talking a little bit more about that analogy is you do not need that resistance field to move forward and, so yeah, that is amazing way or thought mindset, whatever you want to call it for viewing the situation, whatever the goal is that you’re trying to accomplish when that resistance comes, it’s like, okay, this [00:20:00] resistance is going to propel me forward. Right. So what were some of the things that really have helped you to overcome those thoughts of, okay, well maybe I’m not good enough.
Hayley Clark: My favorite thing to do, when I’m feeling like I’m not good enough is spend any amount of time with the Lord, whether it’s in scripture, listening to conference talks, and actually like being in that relationship, yes, I think it’s good to listen to a conference talk in the car, maybe your kids are being rowdy and you can listen to it and it’s just playing in the background or whatever.
Or sitting on the temple grounds and just kind of feeling the spirit, like all those things are good, but there’s a difference between like being in that sphere and being like in your relationship with the Lord and with Heavenly Father and like feeling, finding that connection, finding that personal relationship with him and being able to say Heavenly Father, are you there?
Hayley Clark: And how do you [00:21:00] really feel about me? I think president Nelson asked us to pray and ask how Heavenly Father’s. sees us. Is that who it was? Somebody asked us to do that. And I remember doing it and it like changed me. It changed the way that I felt about myself, the way that I saw myself. I think the more we learn about heavenly father and Jesus Christ, and we have that relationship with them, it just becomes a very natural thing to see our divine worth and to remember who we are. And yes, we will have those days when we feel kind of like dust of the earth. Right. Like, and I, we kind of are, it’s this, it’s kind of a juxtaposition where we, we want to be humble. We want to be meek. We want to be able to say at the end of the day, God is everything and I’m kind of nothing, but also at the same time, in the same breath, we are divine.
We have the ability to be kings and queens and priests and priestesses. Like we have all these incredible opportunities. And so you have to know that you are both. And the best way to do that, I think, is to have [00:22:00] that relationship, that, that bond, that covenant connection with heavenly father in Jesus Christ.
That for me that’s what always clicks me back in is the minute I start to feel, insecure or I compare myself, right? That’s a worldly thing. And so the minute I point myself back to a spiritual direction, that’s where, I just find so much more confidence and security is not in the world.
You won’t find that in the world. You’ll never find that in the world or the things that you’re doing here. Everything that we’re doing here is to help us. In our spiritual journey. And so I think that having that returning back to I guess, repenting, right? We think of repenting as like a time when we’re sitting and we’re making mistakes and all these things.
And I’ve learned that repenting really is about returning back to Christ, turning our hearts back to him and changing and remembering that it’s about the spiritual stuff. Like that’s what really matters. Not this stuff over here. That’s part of the world. Like the spiritual stuff is what [00:23:00] really matters and What will help us most even while we’re here in that worldly insecurity and that resistance and those moments of lowness,
Karen Papin: That kind of reminds me of something that Jenny Webb talked about on one of my previous episodes, where she talked about , if God truly is who he says he is, then we are truly who God says we are, and so having that focus and connecting with him so that he can then help you to see that yet.
And you have to be humble in order to do that. So you’re right there. You need both that, that humility, but also there’s that confidence, but confidence isn’t about being prideful. it’s actually about being humble and willing and loving. Humble and loving and willing to serve.
Hayley Clark: Yeah. And I think even being confident in the Lord is different than being like confident in yourself.
And I [00:24:00] think you can believe in yourself and have kind of this self assurance while still being humble. But I think that comes through like a confidence in the Lord and having faith and trust and belief in him and knowing that like he’s got you and that everything that’s happening again is for your good.
Yeah.
Karen Papin: And it’s so comforting to know that like we can fall back on him.
How do you feel that your work with Honeymark helps women to embrace their divine worth?
Hayley Clark: Oh, that is like, so we’re all about. The company in and of itself has done things that I never expected that I could have never done alone. Right. I definitely feel like this is God’s handiwork.
It has been his project this whole time. Because my hands couldn’t have done this alone. But beyond just swimsuits, we receive [00:25:00] messages often from people that will say things like this swimsuit changed my life. really ultimately what I’ve found is that When women are comfortable in the clothes that they’re wearing, as worldly as that sounds, like as worldly as it is to talk about clothing, it feels a little superficial, right?
When I’m sitting here talking like, yeah, I just make clothing and swimsuits and it’s so exciting and stuff. it’s so much more than that because it’s something that we choose to put on every day. Maybe not a swimsuit, but our clothing. But even a swimsuit, when you are comfortable, that is when you are confident, right?
When that’s when you feel secure, you’re able to move forward with your life and focus on what you’re doing and who you’re around. Rather than like what you look like, which that to me, I think that’s where the superficial part comes in, right? When you’re worried about how you look, as opposed to what actions you can perform with the body that God has [00:26:00] given you.
I think that’s where I want to help people turn back to Christ. And even if they don’t maybe realize it, we have a lot of customers who I would say aren’t probably religious, like just based on, Comments we’ve received online but there are a lot of women that are, they do want to, you know, they’re trying to be more like Jesus, but this has never been a, modest swimsuit company only, like, this is just for, you know, Women of the LDS church or anything like that.
It is strictly been this lovely thing that women of all shapes and sizes have found and has helped them like really focus, I think, on what matters. Most of the messages we receive are like, I actually got in the water with my kids or I was able to enjoy my time with them and for me helping moms, especially like just feel comfortable after being [00:27:00] in such a hard, it’s just You have so many other hard things about motherhood.
Your clothing should not be one of them. Your clothing should be something that is working for you so that you can feel good enough to take care of those around you and to take care of yourself. I think that that’s, what’s most important. And it’s helped me feel more of my divine worth. Because I, I really do think it’s because it comes from God. Like it just was never really a question about that.
Karen Papin: Well, I love that. Cause that to me, that is actually what modesty about is about. It’s about focusing on what really matters and not being so concerned about what you’re wearing, but you’re being able to be confident enough to be able to, to do the things that you need to do and to not worry about things that really don’t matter. What is your favorite divine worth scripture? [00:28:00] Oh,
Hayley Clark: , it’s Moses 7 30. And I don’t like read Moses often, but when I was searching for divine worth, and so I found this one. And I love it. it says, And were it possible that man could number the particles of the earth, yea, millions of earths like this, it would not be a beginning to the number of thy creations, and thy curtains are stretched out still, and yet thou art there, and thy bosom is there, and also thou art just, thou art merciful and kind forever.
And to me, maybe this isn’t what this is saying, but to me, it was kind of saying, like, no matter how many, earths there are, no matter how many creations there are, no matter how many literally, like, the particles of the earth, God is stretched out, he’s right there, I mean, this thing about curtains, I just pictured, like, arms, I don’t think it’s talking about actual curtains.
But this idea and like thy bosom is there, right? Like thinking about a heavenly father who was willing and open with arms outstretched, ready to receive [00:29:00] us. That’s what I think is so beautiful. That’s my favorite scripture right now about, about divine worth, because I feel like we are so worthy of this.
Karen Papin: That’s awesome. that’s a great scripture. and that was a new one for me. And reading it, I was like, Oh, this is really good one. Because, and kind of what you were talking about earlier with like that whole juxtaposition, can I say the word?
Yeah. , because it’s like, there’s a humility coming in where it’s like. All of these number of the particles of the earth, yay, millions of earths like this. And it’s just so awe inspiring and humbling. And yet he’s there for each one of us individually. So beautiful scripture. Thank you so much for sharing that.
What is one small and simple action that you recommend for women to embrace their divine worth?
Hayley Clark: So one thing that I like, one suggestion that I have for women to help them find their divine worth.[00:30:00]
I think it just goes back to what I was saying earlier. Really, really finding that relationship with Jesus Christ or learning more about him. If you’re like, I actually don’t know how to have that relationship with heavenly father and Jesus Christ. If they feel like they can’t really even think about having that relationship right now, maybe just learning more about Christ, learning more about who he is.
Cause when you learn about who he is, you learn about how he feels about the people. And when you learn about how Jesus Christ feels, then you definitely learn about how heavenly father feels right. And how each of us are so loved in a very specific way. Like when we say I’m a child of God, there’s something so specific about that.
And I get it. A lot of us are like, well, everybody’s a child of God. That’s great. But there’s something about like how I am a child of God. Also, my favorite thing to do is just like search divine worth or divine identity. And I mean, there are numerous like pages and pages of conference talks and scriptures and things to be read, things to be studied.
There’s more out there than not right. That you could find. And it’s so [00:31:00] helpful because sometimes I think we forget, that’s the whole point of the veil is that we forget when we come to earth. And that’s such a good way to remember it. Sometimes you have to hear it from other people and different people will say it in different ways, right?
Different leaders will say it in different ways. That can be helpful. president Holland has a lot of really great words about this. I was able to complete the young women’s program before they, changed it. So in, What was that? 2019. I was, called to be a Young Women’s counselor, second counselor in the Young Women’s Presidency.
And when you’re in that calling, they said you can complete the program and receive your medallion and all those things. And I was so excited because I’m a convert. I was never able to do that. And one of the things that I talked about was your divine worth. And they had you just read talks and scriptures and study.
And that really was one of the things that like really helped me. I’m sure the whole program helped me, but [00:32:00] that specifically was something that I was like, so excited about doing.
Sometimes it’s just easier.
To have somebody else tell you when you don’t believe it yourself. I’m somebody who, when I hear it through a friend, I feel like that’s how God speaks to me because he knows that maybe I don’t have all the time in the world to be kneeling down for, you know, 20 minutes waiting for inspiration to come.
Right. But the other thing I would say is, getting to the temple. Being in the house of the Lord. That right there that will help you immensely, just spending any amount of time with the Lord, like trying really, really hard to have that relationship. Sorry, that wasn’t one thing. I guess I’m like, what’s one thing?
I don’t know. I don’t know about one thing. Just, I just growing your relationship with Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father. That would be my one thing. Because we are divine beings. I think I said this in my questionnaire, the quote, that’s, we’re not human beings having a spiritual experience.
We’re spiritual beings having a human experience. And it’s so important for us to remember that our divine [00:33:00] identity, like that’s our true identity. Divine identity is our true identity. It’s not some. You know, mystical thing up here that one day we’ll grasp on to , no, that is who we really are. We are not the things that we’re doing.
We’re not the businesses we create. We’re not the children that we have, right? Like we have a divine worth and identity And our heavenly father and Jesus Christ can help us find that when we have that relationship with them.
Karen Papin: So, connect with the Lord, seek him,, and
Hayley Clark: you gave some great tips for how to do that. And I really love that one about like search divine worth in the general conference section because so much there.
Karen Papin: So good. How can people connect with you? Oh, with me?
Hayley Clark: You’re so nice. you can find me on Instagram. I’m my spiritual page is at the Haley Clark. So yeah, that’s where you can find me. and I’ll probably have more things coming in the next year, [00:34:00] I guess. I don’t know.
Heavenly father has like put a lot more ideas into my head. So we’ll see what else happens. But if you just follow me there for now, or just can be my friend, I don’t like that word follow because that’s where I don’t want you to follow me. I want you to follow Jesus. So anyway, you can find me there. Just at the Haley Clark.
Karen Papin: All right. It sounds awesome. So yeah, to continue to see the ways that Haley evolves in this whole journey, check out the Haley Clark on Instagram. Haley, thank you so much for being willing to do this and coming and sharing your thoughts on divine worth.
Hayley Clark: Thank you for having me.
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