Karen Papin: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Divine Worth Podcast, where we are letting go of our self-doubt, anxiety, fear, limiting beliefs, so that we can step into the divine roles that God has for us. I am your host life coach, Karen Papin, and together we are embracing our divine worth and potential.
So this episode today is a little different. It is actually a re-broadcast of a different podcast that I had the opportunity to be on called The Dents in My Armor with Dr. Lee bge and Jenny Webb, and the Dents In My Armor is one of those podcasts that I listen to every week because I always walk away feeling edified and feeling.
Uplifted and ready to continue on throughout the week. I love hearing Jenny and Lee talk. They are just so open and so heartfelt and I always gain new insights as I [00:01:00] listen to their,
and Jenny and Lee were actually on my podcast
on episode 17 where we really dived into the scripture in Proverbs three, five through six, about trusting in the Lord with all thine heart and lean, not unto thine understanding. So, if you wanna hear more from them, that’s a great source as well as their own podcasts. The dent. My armor, I just was so excited to be able to be on their podcast sharing about fear to faith.
And so I’m thankful to them for allowing me to rebroadcast that this episode so that you can also hear some of the things that I’ve learned about fear and how to overcome it so that you can have more faith. So with that, let’s go ahead and get started.
Dr. Lee Burdge: Ever feel paralyzed by fear? Have you ever felt like Peter, that you began to sink when you took your eyes off the savior and started [00:02:00] focusing on your fears? Well, if so, you’re not alone. Join us today as our guest shares practical insights for ways to bolster your faith that not only propel you into the growth zone, but also help you increase your connection with the savior.
Jenny Webb: Welcome to the Dense in My Armor, a podcast of becoming for LDS women.
Dr. Lee Burdge: Hello, she’s Jenny. I’m Lee and we are here with a special guest today, Karen Papin. Karen is a certified life coach and creation coach. She’s a master NLP practitioner. And the host of the Divine Worth Podcast. Karen and her husband have been married for over 16 years, and they have four wonderful and brave kids.
And Karen, I am gonna ask [00:03:00] you about the Brave Kid part. That’s gonna be my first question. So heads up. As a child, she struggled to even say a word, but the Lord led her step by step to using her voice to help others. See their divine worth and potential. She coaches women of faith to trust God’s plan for them as they overcome their fears and self-doubt, so that they can step into those divine roles that God has for them.
I hope listeners that you get just from that, short, short bio of, of Karen and her accomplishments that this is gonna be. An amazing conversation that you are gonna want to listen to and internalize. So, as promised Karen, I’m throwing you the first question. I, I have described my kids as many things before, but brave has never, not that they’re not, but Brave hasn’t been one that I would put in a short bio.
So I found that intriguing and curious. So I wanna first question, why are your kids brave?
Karen Papin: [00:04:00] Yeah, I do intentionally put that in there. And the reason why is because, well first, let’s talk about what athlete does brave mean. , it’s, it’s not about, not. Feeling fear, right? It, it is actually about feeling that fear and then doing it anyways.
And so, as we mentioned in my bio, I was someone who really struggled to be able to speak as a child, and my kids are very much. Like me and I am just so amazed to be able to see them stepping outside of their comfort zone each day to go to school and to interact with other people. Even though they have that social anxiety, they still go out there and they still still step outside their comfort zone.
And so that’s why I see them as being brave.
Jenny Webb: I think that’s incredible, and I love that as a mother, you are letting them know that you see them that way, that that’s one of your identities for them is this bravery. [00:05:00] And for our listeners, Karen has been doing this incredible series on her Instagram page, and I highly encourage you to follow it.
It’s a faith over fear. And, and I really would love to lean into this because Karen, I have to tell you, if for no other reason and I’m gonna get emotional, I apologize for that. I feel like this has been, for me personally, like I have really leaned into this. It has been something that’s been so powerful for me, and I am so grateful and so appreciative.
But as you’re talking about brave, and I love that you used the, the, definition of being afraid, but doing it anyway. And I imagine that as you’ve watched your children be brave, as you yourself have been brave. I just am curious if there is, and if it’s too personal, you don’t need to share it, but if there is a moment you can pinpoint where fear felt paralyzing to you and how did you decide?
That no longer would you be paralyzed by fear or no longer would you allow fear to have the the steering wheel? [00:06:00]
Karen Papin: That’s a
Jenny Webb: really
Karen Papin: good question. , and, and really it’s like I’m well acquainted with this feeling and, like literally throughout growing up, that was what would happen is I would literally freeze when someone would try to talk to me and I really struggled to get the words out.
And I think one of the big turning points for me. Was when I was asked to speak in church and I, I was like, I’m someone who, I am a people pleaser, right? Or at least I was right. So I really wanted to do what was asked of me, and yet there was this paralyzing fear. And I remember getting up there and not being able to get the words out.
And just being like crushed that I could not go through with it. And that actually instilled in me a greater desire to do it. And so [00:07:00] during this time, I had also developed a pattern of studying my scriptures, and I began to see these amazing people within these scriptures who experienced similar fear.
And like we have Enoch and we have Moses. Moses, he was slow of speech. He struggled to speak and, and then even Moroni, if you read Ether 12, he talks about his struggle with writing and how, I mean one of the most quoted scriptures is in Moroni 10, four and four and five, and that was written by Maroni.
And so we really see how weaknesses are turned into strengths. And so I’m like, okay. And my father, if this is something that you want me to do, then please help me to do it. And the next time I was asked to speak, I opened my mouth and I just felt peace and the words came. And it has been like that every single time I am asked to speak.
’cause I still get [00:08:00] nervous, even though I absolutely love to do it now. But I love it because it brings me closer to the Lord.
Dr. Lee Burdge: That is so good, and I think the example you picked about speaking in church is something we can all relate to. I mean, I don’t, you know, I’m pretty comfortable talking. I mean, but even still then, you know, you get that feeling inside of you.
I mean, I know before we hit record every single time that we have a five second countdown on our software that, that we’ve left in place on purpose. And for me it’s because. I take a deep breath and I remind myself that God’s got me. Like it’s that, it’s that feeling, you know, of can I really do this? Am I really good enough?
Am I ready? Am I prepared? And so I think that that is, that is so relatable, what, what you’re talking about. And kind of continuing on that, so we, we talked about fear of [00:09:00] course, and I think maybe a subset of fear is self-doubt. That we have this thing creep in. All of us have it, right, this imposter syndrome that I just alluded to, like, am I enough?
Am I ready? Am I, you know, can I do this? All of that stuff. So, so you said, you know, you, you prayed, you studied this. Next time you got up in church, you opened your mouth and you felt peace. So can you go a little bit like more detailed into that? Like what tools, what did you. I mean, if I’m gonna get granular, like, what did you pray for?
What, like what mental exercises did you do to help you and, and continue to do, to help you be able to open your mouth now because you are the host of a podcast for heaven’s sakes. Like, like what, what do you do to help keep that, bravery? That, that overcoming self-doubt ever [00:10:00] present.
Karen Papin: That is such a good question and so many ways that I can go with this.
I, one thing is, , and as I mentioned before, I had developed that pattern of scripture study and I think just that spiritual preparation that I had was something that helped me and continues to help me, and so that’s just something. Small that we can do consistency consistently each day to be able to help ourselves when we are experiencing that intense fear.
, as far as like in the moment, what do I do? One thing that I have learned is that. Fear is an indicator. It’s something that lets me know that, hey, I am about to step outside my comfort zone. I’m about to do something that I am not used to or that is hard for me. And just a reminder that it’s like, [00:11:00] oh, fear.
The fear itself is not the problem. It’s how I respond to that fear. And so just reframing that thought and helping me to recognize, oh. Hey, this is just letting me know that I’m about to do something hard, or maybe not necessarily hard, but something outside my comfort zone. And that then reminds me, oh, I can turn to the Lord and he’ll help me do this.
And it, I’m gonna be so much more blessed as I move forward, , because this is what the Lord wants me to do. And so just reframing those thoughts. A lot of times we’ll be like, oh, well what if I fell? What if something goes wrong and we have all these negative what ifs? And we can turn those around and say, well, what if it goes well, what if I am doing exactly what heavenly father wants me to do?
, what if it is a wonderful learning experience? And each of those thoughts kind of help us to be able to feel like, oh, I can do this. Okay, all right. It’s a learning experience. Let’s do [00:12:00] this.
Jenny Webb: That’s incredibly wise. And I, I’m like, I just wanna keep going back. I’m, I’m just like trying to write notes over here and I’m, I, this is what I do.
I always have a pen in hand and I’m always writing notes and, and Lee’s always remind me, Hey, this is recorded. You don’t need to write notes. But it just is so powerful to me that fear is an indicator. I don’t know that I’ve ever heard it said that way before. And that is powerful. A. It. So I’m like, I’m like, don’t mind me.
My mind’s just like going, whoa, this is a whole new space. I just, I love that you said that. And you’ve talked a lot about, just in the brief time we’ve been here about your connection to your Heavenly Father. You have a podcast, which I encourage all of our listeners to listen in to. That’s called the Divine Worth Podcast because of how you’ve, even in just these short 10 minutes, you’ve talked about your relationship with him, obviously.
Your divine worth or your divine identity has been a critical piece. So your, your podcast has named that. It’s obviously a [00:13:00] critical piece in you. Can you talk to us about how you came about deciding to start a podcast, the naming of it and, and the goal that you have with it?
Karen Papin: Okay. , well, I’ve been coaching for.
About five years now. And I have found that I just love to be able to coach women of faith who really have a great desire to love and to serve others. And yet that fear and that self doubts really keeps them from being able to take those steps forward and, and really embracing what Heavenly Father sees in them.
And so. , at the same time, I really wanted more conversations. I really wanted to just talk to more and more people about, , about what Heavenly father sees in them. And the thought, oh, start a podcast came and I’m like, eh, yeah, I don’t know about that. [00:14:00] And, and so a little more time went by and once again, it was like, okay, start a podcast.
And finally I’m like, okay. Because, because what usually what happens is like all these, all these things like, well, I, I don’t know how to do that. Like, I don’t know how to record it. I don’t know how to edit it. I don’t know how to do this, this, and this. And once I made that decision, then it’s like, okay, well all of those obstacles are actually just stepping stones.
It’s like, okay, well that’s telling me what I need to do next. I don’t know how to record. Well, I’m already using Zoom for coaching. Why don’t I just record through Zoom? Um, okay. What’s the next step? I don’t know how to edit. Well, okay. That’s my next step is to learn how to edit it. Right? And so there, there’re just those obstacles there.
There’s actually a book called The Obstacle is the Way, and it’s, it’s just a. Like, just that [00:15:00] title helps me to remember that, oh, I can use those obstacles to be able to push me further along in the path that I wanna take.
Dr. Lee Burdge: That’s so good because, and we’ve joked before, Jenny and I, again, a completely relatable example for the two of us because, you know, Jenny’s actually, I credit her with the one for, for not just listening to the Lord’s nudge.
But actually acting on it. ’cause I was very much like, oh, that’s so funny. Heavenly father, he, he, he, you’re, you’re really, you’ve got a great sense of humor. , and, and really, like we’ve joked, right? The decision to do a podcast was the first decision and then it brought a thousand more questions and decisions after that that we had to, to think about.
So, okay. So yeah, again, totally relatable example. So what I’m hearing in what, what you’re saying about the, the obstacles is [00:16:00] that women of faith tackle obstacles. Yeah. We see them as a part of life and that that’s actually in overcoming them, that we have the opportunity to partner with the savior. And recognize our potential and, and take steps closer to it.
So, so let’s, I wanna circle, I wanna hone in a little bit on this divine identity and divine worth. So, , as you were, so you’re working with women, you’re coaching, you’re thinking, okay, I gotta start a podcast. Why the Divine Worth Podcast? Like, what were you noticing? Some patterns or trends in the women you were coaching or the things you were seeing among women of faith that sort of led you to that?
Or was it something totally d something totally different than that? Like what, what led you to specifically divine worth, divine identity, really honing in on [00:17:00] that?
Karen Papin: I think part of it is because of the personal experiences that I’ve had because. I am doing what I’m doing because God first believed that I could do it and I would not have believed in myself if I did not put my faith and trust in the Lord. And I love Proverbs three, five and six for that reason.
Trust in the Lord with all thine heartly, not unto thine know and understanding in all by ways. Acknowledge him and he shall direct bypass because if I put my faith and trust in him, it. It’s like my own understanding of myself is very limited, but when I put my faith and trust in the Lord’s understanding of who I am, it’s the options are limitless.
And as I started coaching others, a lot of where we struggle is because we do not [00:18:00] grasp just what we can accomplish. And it’s in that self-worth and that divine identity because when we are struggling, we lose sight of who we truly are as children of God. But when we recenter on that, then it’s like, oh, heavenly Father believes in me and he loves me.
And it’s like any E, even if I do go out and I make a mistake, heavenly Father still loves me and he’s gonna help me to be able to overcome that. Yeah.
Jenny Webb: That’s so powerful. And I love how you said God first believed that I could, that his belief was, what was your springboard? How would you encourage someone who doesn’t have that piece?
Like, what is the first step? And you, you’ve, you’ve talked a lot about it, so I could guess what you’re gonna say, but I would love you to really, lean into that. If someone doesn’t know who they are, whose they are, what’s their first step, what do they. How do they get to the place where you are of I know my heavenly father [00:19:00] and I trust him?
Karen Papin: That is such a good question. I love where Alma talks about faith. In Alma chapter 32, he is teaching the zore mites and he’s talking about planning a seed of faith. And really, if you are someone who wants to believe in your divine identity, you start with. Planting that seed within you and then nurturing it.
And we nurture that through the, through the scriptures. Like read the, the scriptures because they are full of, of imperfect people who God loves and, and it’s so amazing to see. And so you read the scriptures, you immerse yourself in God’s words, and also pay attention to what you’re saying to yourself.
Because we can nurture that faith when we are reframing those thoughts and reminding ourselves of I am a beloved daughter of heavenly [00:20:00] parents, and continuing to repeat that to ourself and then allow yourself to actually feel the truth of that. Because sometimes we can get so busy and so focused on all of the things that we’ve got going on, that it’s really hard for us to just stop and to feel the truth.
And I think that’s why the Lord’s like he counsels us, be still right? And so take the time to actually feel, and sometimes uncomfortable emotions might come up in like maybe you start to fear because if you really grasp who you are, it’s like, oh, heavenly father, my ask something scary on me. Right?
And, and so sometimes you might start to feel that fear. Allow yourself to feel it and get curious. About, oh, well, why is that fear there? And then you turn it over to the Lord and, and ask, Hey, heavenly Father, be here with me. Help me to turn this over to you.
Dr. Lee Burdge: That’s [00:21:00] just so good because like I am a person who I, I default to, shove the negative emotion aside and just, just, you know, get over it.
Just get over it. And what I’ve learned in the past few years is that that’s, that’s not the way to conquer it. That the way to overcome is to let yourself feel it, like you’re saying, to name it right to go, okay, I am afraid, oh, this is fear. Wait, I’m not a stranger to fear. I, I felt fear before. I know what fear is.
I’ve overcome fear before in partnership with my savior Jesus Christ, and odds are I could do it again. Like that, opening up of that process and I’m, I, sometimes I’m embarrassed to admit it, but today I am not that I was in my fifties when I figured that out like that. This is just. [00:22:00] The path to growth and that it’s okay.
It doesn’t make you bad. It doesn’t make you less than, it doesn’t make your worth fluctuate at all because you’re afraid of something. Like, it’s just so, like, woo, like big light bulbs over my head. Karen, as you’re talking, you know, like, yes, I’m adding my testimony to yours. , okay. I wanna lean into faith a little bit because you’re doing this.
, series of videos on your social media pages called, oh my gosh. Fear to Faith, faith Over Fear. Right. Okay. And, so when I was a little girl, I remember my dad had this, it was like a wood disc, and on one side was faith, and on the other side was fear. And I remember one day he had it, he was sitting at our kitchen table and he had it in his hand and, and he was kind of.
What looked to me absentmindedly, flipping it over and over. Right. But now in retrospect, [00:23:00] I am, I’m looking back on that and recognizing my dad. My dad was going through a conscious process of growth, right? And I remember asking him, what is that? And, and I like vividly like it was yesterday. I remember him saying, Lee.
Fear is one side of a coin and faith is the other side of the same coin. And the thing is, you can only have one side of the coin up at a time. You can’t have faith and feel fear. And if you feel fear, you can’t feel faith. So keep the faith side up. And I, and I remember like going, oh, that’s a really cool story, dad.
And walking off right. And as now I’ve grown in decades of past since then. This truth has distilled upon me. And you know, you bringing up the Proverbs verse and all of that, right? This is all so interconnected. So will you [00:24:00] talk a little bit about, you know, the impetus for you, the genesis of this series of videos, which by the way, listeners go, go, like, watch all of them one right after the other.
Like, you, you, you won’t be able to because you find yourself pausing. And like writing post-it notes and hypothetically speaking and putting them on your bathroom mirror as constant reminders for you. Like it’s just Karen there. It’s so good. And so what was the genesis of it? Like how, how did it come about and how did you decide like leaning into faith is the way to overcome?
Those fears?
Karen Papin: Well, I was really just trying to consider, okay, what is it that I can share with other people? And, and with all the experience that I’ve had and with both personally and with those who I’ve coached, it’s.[00:25:00]
That’s what came up. I, I guess that that’s all I, I, that’s what came up. But, but what was really interesting is as I actually set out to start to write it, I was amazed as to how much I have learned that the lord, how much the Lord has guided me in learning about fear and and. And how to overcome it.
And like one, one scripture that keeps coming to mind is first Timothy or second Timothy chapter one, verse seven. And it says, for God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love, and of a sound mind. And I find it really interesting that it says the spirit of fear. It’s not necessarily God has not given a spirit fear.
Like fear actually. Does something for us, like it, it can protect us, [00:26:00] right? But sometimes we take it to an extreme and, and we get stuck in that spirit where we either free, freeze, I say freeze, we flee or we fight. , so we kind of get stuck in that spirit of fear. And as I said before, is fear is an indicator.
So if we can just view fear a little bit differently, , that actually helps us be able to get out of that spirit of fear because heavenly father doesn’t want us to stay stuck there. He wants us to learn from it so that we can move forth with power and with love and of of sound mind.
Jenny Webb: Okay. I love all of that and I love that you have such a desire to help others. I think that, you know, when you talk about heavenly father giving you a voice, I am sure if you went back to that earlier version of yourself that was standing at the podium, not being able to speak, it would be almost laughable that, oh, God gave [00:27:00] me a voice.
I don’t, I don’t really think so. And, and so. I, I personally believe that he gave each of us a voice. Not all of us have a speaking voice. Some of us have a singing voice. Some of us have a listening voice. I know that seems like a oxymoron, but all of us have these God-given talents that we do not know even exists within ourselves.
And I think that that’s what you, that’s at least what I take away. That may not be the message you’re hoping, but that’s the message I keep taking away is what is my divine identity? And so if you had someone who came to you and said, but I don’t have talents, I don’t have a voice, where would you tell them to start?
Such a good
Karen Papin: question. If you have a patriarchal blessing, that is a great place to start. You read through their their, and you look for those things that heavenly father sees in you. You could also turn to people that you trust and that you know love you. And ask them, Hey, what do you [00:28:00] see in me? And one thing that I feel is if you are struggling to really see that heavenly father even loves you, gratitude, like I have a, this seven day free like email course.
That’s on recognizing God’s love and it’s all about gratitude. And each day you get another prompt that focuses on, on something that you can be thankful for. And sometimes it is those hard things that you’re going through because even in the midst of those, we can find lessons and things and proof that heavenly father loves us.
Dr. Lee Burdge: That’s so true. I, , gratitude being the antidote. For some things. That’s so cool. Okay, so you just mentioned you have a seven day free, it’s like an email course. So they get an email every day. Yes. So at the end, listeners, we’re gonna give [00:29:00] you, we’re gonna have Karen give you all the ways that you can follow her, find her, and all of that.
And so one of the things you may wanna find, , after this episode is over is that, ’cause that is amazing. , okay. So I’ve never, I never before distinguished the difference between fear and the spirit of fear. So that was that, that, that is new for me and my brain is just, now my brain is popping with that.
And how, how you were saying the Lord doesn’t want you to get stuck in the spirit of fear and how destructive that can be. So as we’re. As we’re exercising our faith. So how do we, besides listening to your videos, , about, about faith over fear? , Sometimes I feel like my faith can be situational, like if it’s a [00:30:00] situation that I’ve dealt with before.
I can say to myself, oh, well I’ve faced this before and I know I’ve overcome it and I know I exercised my faith and I know it all turned out okay. It may not have turned out the way I wanted, but it’s okay. Like nobody died. That’s one of the phrases that we say in our family all the time. Right. Well, nobody died, so, you know, that means it’s okay.
, How do, how, how have you developed your faith like you’ve overcome fear? But also you’ve strengthened your faith. So I know they’re, they’re probably inseparably connected somehow, but, but what are ways that you have strengthened your faith so that you know, even if you’ve never faced a situation before and you feel that, that indicator of fear, like how do you lean into that?
How do you rely on that? How do you develop the faith necessary to be able to take the step forward in the [00:31:00] dark?
Karen Papin: There’s that spiritual preparation, uh, developing the, the habit of prayer, developing the habit of, of scripture study, and,
and like doing those small, and those are small and simple things that we can do consistently and. And another scripture by small and simple things are great things brought to pass. , and so doing those small and simple things and then it’s also, it’s a, it is a line upon line thing that is how the Lord teaches us.
And, and so like with me. Yeah, if you told that child that I was, that I would be doing a podcast and, and even showing my face on social media at all, right? That that would not have been something that I would’ve seen myself capable of doing, and it was [00:32:00] a step-by-step process that the Lord helped me to be able to see, Hey, this is something that you can do.
And. And so just taking those small steps of faith forward actually strengthen us and strengthen that faith so that when we are taking those bigger steps, we are ready to take them.
Jenny Webb: I love that and I love that the line upon line principle, because I think sometimes if Heavenly Father gave us. Where he was taking us at the very beginning of the first step.
I think some of us would be like, no thanks. That seems really out of reach and scary to me, so I’d rather not. As you were talking about in this faith and this fear, I know that there are people who are listening who feel like they have been either battling or are trapped in fear and, and they have been there for a very long time and they’re not finding or seeing or feeling progress.
Is there anything that you would say to encourage them? That if they are feeling like they are in this prison of fear that could [00:33:00] help them in this space that they are trapped in,
Karen Papin: one thing that comes to mind is why are you holding onto the fear? I think sometimes we, I. Subconsciously do hold onto the fear.
’cause we’re afraid that if we let it go, something bad’s gonna happen. And , so one experience, that example that I can share from my own life is I like, as I mentioned, my kids do have that anxiety too, that I had growing up and. I remember one time being so anxious about my kids’ anxiety. So here I’m having all this anxiety about my kids’ anxiety, right?
And I did a prayerful meditation where I asked my heavenly father, well, I, I started out asking my heavenly father to just be with me. And, and then I pictured the savior being there with me. And just [00:34:00] asking him to help me with this anxiety, getting curious about what it was, where it was coming from, and then I asked the Lord’s help in being able to turn it over to him and.
The, my hiccup there was that I was afraid that if I let go of this fear about what my kids are experiencing with their own fears, that I wouldn’t do anything about it. That it would mean that I didn’t care if that they were anxious. And when I was able to turn that over to the Lauren, I was filled with so much love.
And my mind opened up to all of these ways that I could support my kids in their fear.
Jenny Webb: A And Lee, I know it’s not my, it’s not my turn to say like a question, but I’m gonna jump in a follow up here, Karen. [00:35:00] That is incredibly powerful. There’s several things and I’m again, I’m sorry, I’m gonna like give you like three questions in one. So you talked about prayerful meditation, which I think is incredible, but what I really heard a, as you were speaking, is you are a woman.
So. Sorry. Deeply grounded in your identity with your Heavenly Father, that you were able to develop a curiosity about this, this fear you were feeling and, and because of that, you were able to say, interesting, and now what’s next? Instead of I’m frozen. And I just, there’s so much power in that. Karen, I don’t know.
I know speaking for myself personally, I don’t wanna speak for anyone else, but for myself personally. That is inspiring. ’cause I, I unfortunately am like fear. Welcome back, old friend. There’s a place at the table for you. Enjoy. I made a seven course meal. You’re gonna be here a while. I brought up in
Dr. Lee Burdge: China.
Jenny Webb: I brought [00:36:00] up this China. It’s, you are here to stay, my good friend. And so as I’m listening to you, and this is why your series has been so inspiring to me because. You are just an extraordinary ordinary, you know, that’s who you are is you’re, and I don’t mean like, I don’t wanna say you’re just, , an ordinary woman.
’cause I think you’re extraordinary. I think all of us are. But you have chosen to not just lean into this, but to raise your sword and battle it. And that’s powerful. And not only that, but you’re saying not on my watch, Satan. I will stand and I will fight and I will be a voice for women and children and men who perhaps don’t have a voice right now.
So I just, I’m like, Karen, teach all of us. How do we get to that place where you, where being able to be willing. So [00:37:00] the first question would be a prayerful meditation. I’m gonna swing back to that. Define what that is for us, and then it, it just, again, I’m just kind of in awe right now. That’s all. I’m just kind of in awe, just really inspired by everything that you’re saying and doing, because I’m not there yet and I want to be there.
So start us at the beginning, this prayerful meditation.
Karen Papin: Okay. Well for me, that one, I feel like prayer is meditation. And then also when I, as I’ve developed a habit of meditation, I want the Lord to be there with me. And so I will often just start by saying a prayer before I go into the meditation and inviting the Lord to be with me.
And it’s. It’s one way that I receive that personal revelation that we can all receive is by [00:38:00] having this time to just be still and and focus on the Lord. And in this particular particular experience, I was doing a guided visualization meditation and it, it was beautiful because it was handing the Lord over these rocks that I was carrying and.
And so, and sometimes it’s like, oh no, I don’t wanna do that. But, , but when we do it just, it opens it up. The Lord tells us too that he will help carry our burdens. Like we can hand our burdens over to the Lord. And he, he makes us stronger and, and more resilient as we do that. And he doesn’t always take those burdens away.
Like, my kids still struggle with anxiety, I still struggle with anxiety. , and. And just kind of going back, Jenny, to kind of what you were were talking about is, is that we, [00:39:00] this is something that we all struggle with. There’s all, we all struggle with fear at times and I think what has helped me to be where I am today is actually the fact that I have had all these experiences with fear and it’s like, okay, so, but I showed the Lord that.
I am willing to open my mouth to speak as a teenager, right? And, and, , and he planted in me that desire to speak more and not just speak, reading my talk, but to actually speak from an outline instead, I. And so I got to a point where I could start to do that, and then I was, and then the Lord’s like, okay, I want you to go on a mission.
And I’m like, no, I don’t know about that. But I felt like, okay, that’s what I needed to do, and then I couldn’t go right away. But because back then I had to go when I was 21, it was 19 that I got my answer. So I had to wait two years. And , [00:40:00] and when I did receive my call. I was called to the Salt Lake City, temple Square Mission, where I would be giving tours of sometimes just one person.
Sometimes I, I think we had one of over 50 people. , and just constantly speaking to other people. Even, even just the, well, it was. Two-on-one. ’cause I always had my companion there too, but more one-on-one conversations, which also scare me too, and, and so it’s just, the Lord has given me all of these different opportunities to step outside of my comfort zone, to experience that fear and to learn how to overcome.
And so it is like whether you are frozen in fear or you are ready to take that next step and you’re leveling up. It’s, it’s, you start with where you are and ask the Lord to be with you and put your faith and trust in [00:41:00] him.
Dr. Lee Burdge: You know, you were saying how we, we become really familiar with the rocks that we’re carrying, the burdens that are ours, and sometimes we start to define ourselves by oats.
We just get so attached to them that. We don’t wanna let them go because we are defining ourselves by our challenges, right? As opposed to defining ourself by our divine identity. And that, that what a, what a beautiful exercise in faith and trust, in hope, in love. And, and also what you’re saying, just as a mom resonates with me so deeply because I.
We’re at a, I think we’re at a point in, in society where if we, if we ourselves don’t have a diagnosis of anxiety, we love someone who does. [00:42:00] And that opportunity to marry yes, all of the things that we have in in modern technology and medicine and all that to help us with that. And also. To marry up this spiritual component of prayer and faith and being able to turn to our savior and say, this is, this rock is bigger than me.
It’s so big I can’t pick it up, you know, help, help me do that. And that is just such a beautiful. Image that you painted. Not just for us as women, but for us as mothers, that we have this opportunity to pray for help with our children and, , and what a, what a cool tool in our tool chest for that. Okay.
I’m gonna ask you one question. [00:43:00] Hopefully this will be an easy one. It’s not, , because I’m gonna ask you, it’s almost like I’m about to ask you if you have a favorite kid. So of the videos that you’ve created most recently in your, faith Over Fear series, is there one that just is like, oh, if no one, if they, if, if people didn’t watch all of them, but they just watched this one, I, I would’ve, my heart would’ve been out there.
I would’ve fulfilled what Heavenly Father asked me to do. Is there, is there a favorite child in, in all of the things that you’ve created?
Karen Papin: Oh man. That analogy. Okay. , That is hard. That is hard. ’cause I do feel like there’s, there’s so many aspects to this that are just so important to embrace. Yeah. But my favorite is, actually [00:44:00] I do have an answer.
You have one. , it’s, it’s the one where I share four scriptures. For when faith is hard or, well, for when fear is strong, is, is actually what I think I said in the post. And, and I’ve shared one of two of them. I’ve shared two of them already. Um, so , and, and the reason why is because it’s really. I am gonna, okay, so the scriptures.
The first one is Philippians four 13, and that’s one that I say all, all the time, all the time is I can do all things through Christ who strengtheneth me. I already shared second Timothy one seven about the spirit of fear, and Proverbs three, five through six. And so the reason why I love this one.
It is because of the fourth scripture, and that is Matthew chapter 14, uh, verses [00:45:00] 24 through 33. And so it is a little bit longer of a scripture, , but it is the scripture of Christ walking on the water. And I’ll just share a couple things as to why I love that and why it relates to why. I’m saying why a lot, , why this whole post was so important to me., if you read that scripture, it says in verse 24, it says, but the ship was now in the midst of the sea. Tossed with waves for the wind was contrary. So right there, it’s already letting you know there’s wind and there’s waves like it, it’s already there. And then it talks about how Christ is coming onto them, walking on the sea.
And the disciples see him and they’re a little afraid. They’re like, oh, it’s a spirit coming. You know? So they’re a little afraid. , but Christ calls out to them and says, be of good cheer. It is thy be not afraid. [00:46:00] And Peter, when he realizes who it is, he asks, Hey, can I come to you? Can I come to you on the water?
And Christ says, come And just. I am just so blown away by the fact that PE Peter actually got out of the boat. He got out of the boat and he starts walking on the water to go to Jesus, and it’s not until he notices the wind and the waves, which were already there, we already know they were already there.
It’s not until he notices them. That he begins to sink and he knows who to cry out to. So he immediately cries out, Lord, save me. And of course, Christ is right there to save him, but it’s not until he takes his focus off the Savior that he is overcome with fear. And that’s why I love this post so much is because these [00:47:00] scriptures are ways that we can keep our focus on the Savior because when we’re focused on him.
Yeah, that peace comes and that fear goes away.
Jenny Webb: Karen, I have loved this entire conversation and I’m grateful that you have a podcast, so I can listen to you anytime I want instead of trying to keep you here with us the rest of the day. I as we’re ending several things I want to have you, touch on.
First off is how do people find you? Because they need to find you. You are critical, and they need to find you. The second thing is, is one of the things in this series that you’ve been doing is, you’ve talked about that you are willing to do a personalized, uh, meditation for listeners. How do they go about receiving that?
’cause that’s a gift. And, , and any last thoughts as we’re, as we’re wrapping this conversation up.
Karen Papin: Okay., Okay. How can people find me? , I am on Instagram at Karen Papin. And my name is [00:48:00] K-A-R-E-N-P-A-P-I-N. That is also my website, karen papin.com. So, you know, as long as you know how to spell my name, you should be able to find me.
What was the other question? Your podcast, how to find your podcast. Oh, thank you. Yes, that’s important. Uh, it’s the Divine Worth Podcast. It’s available on Spotify and on Apple Podcasts, and I believe a few other places too. , but those are the main ways that I publish the podcast. And yeah, you can find me in those places.
Jenny Webb: Perfect. And then lastly, how do they go about getting a personalized meditation? Um, the Faith Over Fear Meditation. Great. Thank
Karen Papin: you so much. , yes. So that is karen papin.com/meditation. That should take you right to the link to be able to get your own personalized fear of faith meditation.
Dr. Lee Burdge: That’s [00:49:00] so cool.
So cool. I’m breaking in. I’m doing it back to you, Jenny. Right before you close, you listeners, you’re gonna be in line behind me and Jenny getting your personalized meditation, just letting you know we’re going there first. So, also, we will put all of Karen’s links in our episode resources so you’ll have them all in one place and be able to find her easily.
Jenny Webb: This has been such a great conversation and it’s been such an important conversation. And Karen, we thank you so much for joining us for this episode. It has been truly, a gift. I speaking for myself. It’s been a gift for me to be able to have this time with you. So thank you so much for joining us.
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