Ep 43 Divine Worth Podcast: You’re Not A Burden with Jill McAuley and Jamie Moore

Karen Papin: [00:00:00]

Welcome to the Divine Worth Podcast, where we are letting go of our self-doubt, anxiety, fear, limiting beliefs, so that we can step into the divine roles that God has for us. I am your host life coach, Karen Pathen, and together we are embracing our divine worth and potential.

 Welcome to the Divine Worth Podcast. I have two special guests on today.

 I will go ahead and introduce ’em, and then we’ll kind of dive into what brings them here today. So first I’ll introduce. Jamie Moore. Jamie grew up in a small town in central Utah as one of 14 children in a beautifully blended family at age five. she survived a serious accident that resulted in a spinal cord injury, an experience that shaped her resilience and deepened her compassion for others.

Jamie graduated from Brigham Young University with a degree in social work and now lives in St. George, Utah, where she works as a community. Community [00:01:00] integration specialist at a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping people with disabilities live independent, productive, and healthy lives. That is amazing.

She’s passionate about personal growth, meaningful connection, and creating a more inclusive world when she’s not advocating or serving others. Jamie is a proud dog mom to two pups who think they run the house, and honestly, they kind of do. She also loves creative projects, movies, and spending quality time with friends and family.

Then our other guest is Jill McCauley. Jill is from Woodinville, Washington. She is the second youngest of seven siblings. Her early years included sports singing and competitive horseback riding until a car accident in 2000, resulted in a severe spinal cord injury, leaving her at quadriplegic and reshaping her journey.

Undaunted. She willed her way to a sociology degree from BYU Provo. Jill [00:02:00] is now a partner and senior Vice President of Administration at Certainty Management. She also contributes to content creation for two Instagram accounts. Jared Halversons, come follow me. Podcast unshaken Saints and women who choose faith.

Jill was honored to serve as Miss Wheelchair Washington 2024. A role dedicated to advocacy, public speaking, and amplifying the voices of people with disabilities. She placed in the top five in the country at the Miss Wheelchair America 2025 national competition where she championed mental health awareness and.

Accessibility. Jill is currently authoring a book on the transformative power of faith amid life’s unexpected turns. She aspires to share how Jesus Christ can bring purpose and peace to any pain. So Jamie and Jill, welcome. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. Thank you for having us. First off, I [00:03:00] just wanna thank you guys for all the awareness that you’re doing and things that you’re doing for people with disabilities.

 My younger brother had cerebral palsy, and so, that was a community where we’re very much involved in, growing up and he was such a blessing in our lives. So he passed away when I was 15 years old and just such a great blessing. So I love hearing what you guys are doing and just the great work.

so thank you so much. So, to begin, I wanna share a little bit about what we’re gonna be talking about today. And this was all inspired from a. Podcast episode that Jill was on, she was on the Dents in My Armor podcast. Which you guys, listeners have heard me mention that several times on this podcast before.

So she was on the Dents in My Armor podcast sharing, her story, which we’re gonna hear a little bit more of in just a minute. But there was something very specific that her mom said to her about how allowing others to serve her was serving them. [00:04:00] And, I may not have quoted that quite right, but Jill, you can go ahead and share more about that perspective of allowing and receiving a service.

But also let’s hear your story about how that came to be.

Jill McAuley: Sure. Yeah. I also echo a great podcast at the dents in my armor. Yeah. They do such a good job and it was really a pleasure to speak with them and share part of my story. I feel like every time I can share the things that I’ve gone through, I heal a little bit more.

 And so I think that the aspect that you picked out from it of service was something that. After, well, I’ll tell a little bit of my story. I was, I said my bio said I was injured in a car accident when I was 18, and I realized quickly that we receive and we have a lot of, identities related to what we do with our physical bodies.

And one of the ways that we use our bodies that’s so encouraged in the gospel is to [00:05:00] serve others and all, all the ways that I had. I just lived in and was surrounded by service with hands, and I can’t use my hands. And so I was like, how can I serve others and when I can’t use my hands and how is it okay that I receive so much service when I don’t know that I can actually serve others?

And so my, I was struggling wrestling with this question. Of who am I if I can’t serve others when it’s so important? And that’s when my mom said, you know, allowing others to serve you is a way of serving them. And that was a huge relief to me. That was like this aha moment. Okay, it’s okay that I need to receive the service and that it’s a way that I can fulfill this.

This desire that I have and fulfill this encouragement and commandment from our Heavenly [00:06:00] Father. And, that just kind of opened up a new way of thinking about it for me. And so that was a really crucial moment that was, transformative at the very beginning of my journey of being paralyzed.

Karen Papin: What were like some of the things that you were feeling after this accident that you had and realizing that my life is not gonna be the same anymore.

Jill McAuley: I realized I had defined myself by what I did physically. I was a horseback rider and a singer, and all the things that I’d accomplished and just achievements. And it really stripped all those things away.

It erased the narratives and the stories and all, and it was very jarring. It was, you know, like an identity crisis. I guess you could maybe say, who am I? And so it was a gift in a way [00:07:00] because I had to suddenly learn to. Focus on all the things that are eternal, that are unchanging, that no accident or paralysis could take from me.

And that was that I was a child of God, a daughter of God, that I have this divine nature that yeah, no mortal circumstance can affect. And so I’m sure Jamie experienced that too.

Jamie Moore: Yes. I can attest to that as well. I think that oftentimes, you know, we don’t want to be a burden or be perceived or seen as one.

And so, when you do need a lot of help, that’s something you have to kind of get over. , and just trust that God is placing people in your lives that. They too can benefit from this. And, so it’s a beautiful, a beautiful gift from our heavenly father in a way that he’s so masterfully designed and, when we as [00:08:00] individuals need help that he can work.

Through others, by bringing to pass, those needs. And so a wonderful way to kinda look at things and not get stuck on that, thought of, oh, I’m a burden, or I have to ask for so much help. I need so much from others, but, how can I give that back and, just by, that friendship that’s forged and, how we can connect with each other is a really beautiful thing that, comes out of it as well.

Karen Papin: So I love how you guys are saying it’s a gift. Like it’s not really, most people would struggle with really accepting that and I’m sure you also did too. In, in the beginning of it. And, but I love that you’ve come to be able to see like there are blessings that have come from this really hard and difficult thing that happened in your life.

And Jamie, can you go ahead and share your story so that our listeners know Yes. Where you’re coming from.

Jamie Moore: So my story’s a [00:09:00] little bit different from Jill because I was injured when I was only five years old. And that was a result of an accidental gunshot wound with my, my older brother.

 And it, did leave me also paralyzed and I’m a quadriplegic as well, a C five six. And so, that was really a huge thing for my whole entire family. And we had recently moved to this rural area area in Utah. My parents had gotten divorced and my mom remarried a farmer from that area.

And so we hadn’t lived very long in, in that community. And that was something that, that the young boys did quite often was, you know, rabbit hunting and just going out and, you know, playing with their, be their BB guns and other things and and whatnot. So, um, so this accident, it happened in our garage and, my brother wasn’t aware that , the bullet, he had taken the clip out but had failed to notice that there was actually [00:10:00] a bullet in the chamber of the rifle.

 And so, when it. When it was fired and went off, it did hit me in my neck and severed a portion of my spinal cord that resulted in my injury. So right off, off the bat my life completely changed and I was only five like I had said, and so I didn’t quite know fully what my body was capable of or I was just

only a few years actively dressing myself and, you know, taking responsibility for my own needs and so it was a big adjustment for my family and that they were going to have to step in and really help me in a lot of different ways. And my parents being my main caregivers and then siblings.

Also offering a lot of support and assistance in, in everyday activities. So, it was a big thing. And then also, you know, branching out from that of a family. I love that we are placed in families and that, that they provide a lot of support for us but [00:11:00] also branching out, you know, to communities and other helps that can also relieve some of the caregiving from just our families.

But and we need that as, especially as we’ve both been able to go to college and, be able to experience life away from our parents at some point and different things that we really do need.

Karen Papin: Okay, so we got cut off and Jamie was talking about how you guys went off to college, so, right.

Mm-hmm. How was that, what was that like for you guys? Leaving home and then not being around that support system that you’ve had? Mm-hmm.

Jamie Moore: I, for years and years, I wasn’t really sure it was gonna be possible. I just didn’t know for sure what that was gonna look like even. And for me, I’d never lived away from home. And, so that was a really scary thought. And just figuring out too, like who would be those supports there and how would that really come together?

But it was [00:12:00] the most beautiful and exciting bit of my life that I refer to often. And I absolutely love that time. And, and it was just really cool that everything did work out so that it could happen. And the way that, well, maybe I’ll let Jill talk about how we met.

Jill McAuley: Yeah. It’s a fun story to tell.

It’s one of the most important stories really in my whole life. I think the reason that I went to college was to meet Jamie and then to receive an education. I had only been injured for just a couple of years when I decided to. I’d gone to one year of college before my car accident. Then I came home and took a couple of years to do some community college around where I live in Seattle.

And then I decided to finish my education at BYU Provo, which is where we both went. Mm-hmm. And so, my mom moved away for three years. She lived in Provo with me in an apartment off campus. And we left my brother and dad at home to fend for [00:13:00] themselves and so I lived in this apartment, and this was a number of years ago, I’d say, how long, but there wasn’t, there weren’t as many really well adaptive, accessible apartments.

And so I lived in maybe the only one in Provo. That was really what Jamie and I needed and. I met her on campus. We became friends as she, we were living in different apartments and I had a really struggled to find people to live with me. Girls in the apartment complex were not really interested, and living with someone with a disability was the only really reason that I could come up with why they weren’t interested in living in my apartment.

 Anyway, so Jamie asked if she could live with me, and my initial reaction was I don’t really wanna live with a girl in a wheelchair. You know, I ran into my own biases and my own issues with. Disability that I had against myself and that I had against really [00:14:00] other people in wheelchairs.

So Jamie, eventually the spirit helps me get over that and Jamie moved in and it was really life changing. It was, I had avoided really being around many people in wheelchairs and she was an inescapable, almost reflection of myself, which was in the end exactly what I needed. As always happens with the Lord, so, but yeah, we had to find caregivers. We had to find, people to come in morning and night to work and help help us. Mm-hmm. And fortunately we were able to find other college students who female college students who were doing that for work. But it helped it feel less, more hospital and sterile, you know, and like, you know, like just being around it sometimes can feel that way, but it would just like having friends there to assist us.

It would’ve been possible without their help,

Karen Papin: right?

Jamie Moore: Yeah. [00:15:00] Yeah. It was really amazing how it did come together and that they were so willing to. To help us and be there and do what we needed. and then of course just, having a great college ward as well. That was, I just was thinking on , some memories this morning , as I was getting ready and just thought of really a lot of the fun times when people would come and serve us, whether they’d come and help us with the meal or whatever, and it just.

It was so fun to actually get to, to connect and to get to know them better and for them to get to know us and just something that simple as just helping us bake some food for dinner. It was, it turned into a really wonderful friendships, mm-hmm.

Karen Papin: That’s, the Lord puts people in our lives.

Like, that’s what Jill had mentioned too. And so it’s just beautiful how you guys were able to really come together in those times. And you’re still have a friendship even [00:16:00] today. And just how the Lord shows his love through the people that he puts in our life. So how have your experiences helped you to better understand your Heavenly Father’s love for you?

Jill McAuley: Well go ahead, Jamie. Okay.

Jamie Moore: I am just. I feel so blessed. And this has taken, many, many years and I I can’t say that I feel blessed all the time, especially when there’s new challenges or new things that, that come into life. But I know that my heavenly father, loves me so much and that that knowledge and that thought has allowed me to be able to grow and to have hope and to feel encouraged, I guess, to live my life to the fullest that I can and that, he wants me to do that, and he’s allowed me to live my life in a [00:17:00] very different way than what I had.

Expected or had hoped but it has also probably been my number one like blessing in my life too. When I think of all the things in the world, all the ugliness, all the challenges and all the things that people have to deal with I just. Want to, you know, my heart just sings out for the love that Heavenly father has for me and how much he’s blessed me.

And, I just love that I get to associate with and work with people with disabilities as well, and that just really gives me a different perspective. I don’t, I try not to dwell on what I don’t have or things like that. I know we all, as humans get caught up in comparisons and things like that that just, that happen.

And sometimes I find myself caught up in those things, but then when I can really go back and think, well, wait, what, you know, how this life matters. Yes. But what [00:18:00] are the eternities and what is after this? And what do we have to look forward to? And so, that really helps me to keep going and just feeling grateful for my life and where I’m at.

Jill McAuley: That’s great. I, I’m so thankful for the love of heaven. Father, I was thinking. This past week about really Adam and Eve and how they were, God gave them everything in the garden. He gave them all every bush, every tree, as far as they could see, or even perceive. God gave it all to them. But he said, there’s one tree, there’s one tree that you have and that the tree of good and evil was.

Actually God’s path for them is one thing that they couldn’t have. It was his path for them to receive all of his blessings even more than he had given them. Then more than that, and I think we all could find something in our life that is that [00:19:00] one thing that we can’t have. That’s the wrong timing that.

Doesn’t show up the way we’d like it, it doesn’t look as good, it’s this area that we might not want or wish, or hope, would disappear. But I feel that way about my accident. I, it is good and it’s evil too because it is, I believe is the path for me to access God’s greatest gifts, his greatest love, through Jesus Christ.

But it is the worst thing that’s ever happened to me. But maybe it’s also the best thing. And I think that, that contrary that just contradiction if I will allow it, you know, can really be my path to this beautiful and eternal progression that we have. Through God’s plan and it’s, it’s refining me, it’s teaching me, it’s helping me.

And I think [00:20:00] that’s the greatest evidence of one of them, of God’s love is just opportunities to grow and become more like him. And I think, you know, trials is that, but also being willing to accept service and receive service, give service is how we can share and receive others. Love.

Karen Papin: Great. So I love that you’re bringing it back to the service.

I do wanna really quickly point out just, okay, first off that insight that you had about Adam and Eve, how they were given everything. Like, I never really thought about that, but that is pretty amazing. Like I’ve done study on resilience and how we build. Or become more resilient. And it’s because we go through the hard things, right?

And it, and so it’s like we, in order for us to learn and grow, we have to have the those obstacles. Even though it’s like, yes, we want everything to just come easily, right? But if we don’t work for it, it [00:21:00] does not mean as much to us and we don’t grow as much. So thank Jill, thank you so much for pointing that out.

And then also bringing it back to that service aspect as. As I, I am a life coach and as I’ve coached people the people especially, I usually coach women in the church and they really struggle with this idea of allowing others to serve them. And so I am wondering why you guys feel that it’s so hard for us to accept service.

Jamie Moore: I would just say that for me, I feel like it’s showing a side of yourself, a vulnerability, a weakness something that you don’t really want others to always see or know. And that I think that can be really hard for people to. Just, ask and be in that position to say, you know, I am really struggling right now and I need some help.

And I think as human beings, it just is [00:22:00] very hard to feel like we can’t do it all for ourselves. We just, we need others. And I think that that’s the beauty of the gospel , and the beauty of communities and families that, that we have that ability to support one another in those times of need.

’cause unfortunately. This mortal life, we are all going to experience challenges, and and we’re gonna be that person who’s needing help at one point or another. And so I think it’s, if we can see it in a different way or in the aspect of that, you know, it’s just my turn right now it’s my turn.

 And later on I can help someone else maybe with its exact same thing or something different. But it’s just something that, that we all need. We need each other. And so mm-hmm.

Jill McAuley: I agree with that. I think as we try to control how others perceive us, I think in the world that we live in now, especially with social media and that we want to make sure people see us in [00:23:00] only a certain way and when we are the ones who, when we arrive at a place where we need help, it’s showing that vulnerability that, that.

You know that what seems weak, that we can’t do something for ourselves, that we want to keep our messes hidden. You know, I mean, just before this, I was fixing the background of my Zoom screen, right? Just to make sure that everything looks good, because I don’t want someone to see the mess that I have, but.

Life is messy. Life is messy, and we do have to take our turn. Someone always has to be the one who has the need, and I’ve felt that many times. I don’t wanna be the one that always is, has the need. I wanna be strong. I wanna be able to be the one that shows up for others, and it takes a lot of humility.

Karen Papin: To

Jill McAuley: recognize that the best thing for me right now is to allow someone to help me.

And if we don’t, we are [00:24:00] robbing someone of the blessings that they could receive if they, we allow them to be of service, you know, to give service. So I think it’s just that control aspect we want it the way we want it, but, life moves. Life moves us into places where that are uncomfortable, and we have to be willing to, put our pride aside and say, okay, yes, I will do this.

I will accept it.

Karen Papin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. It’s so hard, it’s so hard to have that vulnerability and I like how you brought that. Word in too, because that is it. Accepting service is a vulner vulnerable thing for people. And now both of you mentioned like two thoughts or ways that we can refrain this idea of we get into the mind of, well, I don’t wanna be a burden, right? And so you both [00:25:00] brought in some thoughts that can help us to change that perspective. Jamie, you mentioned it’s just my turn right now. Yeah. Like this, this is a part of life. It’s just my turn right now. And in the future I’ll be able to have the opportunity to serve, but right now it’s my turn to receive.

Mm-hmm. And Jill, you brought in that. In a way, we’re robbing people if we’re not allowing them to serve us. We are robbing them of the opportunity to experience the joy and the love that comes from being able to serve people. Mm-hmm. Are there any, like other thoughts that, that you feel that have helped you to overcome this?

I don’t wanna be a burden mindset.

Jill McAuley: Oh. That’s really a good question. Yeah. I think removing the guilt, I think there’s a lot of guilt and shame that is involved when, when you aren’t able to do something for yourself [00:26:00] and our, that isn’t what our divine identity, that’s not what our true identity is based in our ability to take care of our needs that that our identity really is fully in.

That we’re children of God. I think if we can remember that, that we’re not defined by what we lack. You know, we’re defined by this identity that we have, these eternal identifiers that are unchanging. And if we can really, we talk about how important that is, all the time. But if we could really see that.

That even though we have this need right now, still underlying all of that, we are whole, we’re beautiful. Mm-hmm. We are, you know, just complete in a sense that we’re divine. And so it isn’t yeah. It just, that it’s truly un unchanging this, this identity, so, right.

Jamie Moore: Yeah. And I think that, God has to work in a lot [00:27:00] of different ways to bless us and to bring those things that we are in need of into our lives. And so I think that, just being more open to. The possibilities and the differences of what that might look like? it is a very huge struggle for me at times, you know, ’cause we don’t wanna.

 Take other people’s time away from their families or there’s just, all this going back and forth and trying to feel okay with asking and and keep asking and all of those things, for things that we need and

I don’t know how it’s done, but God totally makes it work and whatever. Those, like the people who are helping us, what they’re needing as well, I feel like is also answered in a way. And so it’s just this, the thoughts of this beautiful connection that can be made and and maybe not every service or circumstances gonna turn out that way. but it has [00:28:00] a possibility to, and so, I love how he works and, knowing that I need to be open to that

Karen Papin: beautiful.

I remember one time I was coaching someone and she was really struggling with this whole idea of not being a burden. And I mentioned earlier that my younger brother had, , he had severe cerebral palsy. And he was also blind. And so he couldn’t, he couldn’t walk. He couldn’t talk and he couldn’t see, and yet he was such a blessing in our lives.

And so I told her about. Sam and and asked her the question of, do you think that we saw Sam as a burden? And it was like, no. He was a blessing in our lives and it was a joy to be with him. Mm-hmm. What advice would you give to someone who is [00:29:00] feeling this guilt or this shame about needing help?

Jill McAuley: I think it’s just trust God’s plan. When we remember that God’s plan for all of us is eternity. That sometimes the process is low. You know, we wanna move through stages that are uncomfortable or that we feel awkward in, but that’s where we talked about this earlier. You know, just that’s where God does his work, is really he.

That’s where He meets us in those places, and in this case, how he is meeting our needs or our. These places of just that we have needs. That’s where he shows up, that’s where I have felt him the most. That’s where I’ve seen his hands and, his blessings. So it is an opportunity. It’s, and it’s okay to feel guilt or, it’s okay to feel awkward because [00:30:00] that’s, it’s just that’s just what it is, you know?

But. We don’t have to let that kind of stop us from, from receiving what we really need. And so I say, don’t be afraid of it. Don’t be, feel that it makes you less than just to accept kind of where you are and just accept that the love that someone is offering you,

Karen Papin: mm-hmm.

 Jamie, did you have something you wanted to add to that?

Jamie Moore: Yeah, that is a big question, you know? So, I think like in terms of what you had said too with your brother and how sometimes maybe you need to shift your perspective just a bit and see you wouldn’t feel like if someone were to come to you and ask you for help in the same way that you’re needing it, how would you feel about that?

Would you feel annoyed or, like that, that you just [00:31:00] didn’t wanna offer that? Or would you be. Overjoyed with the thoughts that you could be the one to help them. And so I think maybe just thinking of it in different lights in different ways that maybe that could help you with that struggle of feeling like their shame or, anything around that.

And so, that, yeah, that would be my advice. I love that.

Karen Papin: It’s like you’re, it, you’re coming from a place of, oh, it’s an honor. Like I am, this person’s asking me for help and it’s an honor for them to be the ones helping. And okay, so we’re starting to run outta time. So, before,.

We move on to the next question. I guess I do have another question and or thought one of those things. And it’s really just Jill, you have mentioned a couple times divine identity and how this whole process has helped you remember who you truly are [00:32:00] and and also how you use that to kind of.

Pull yourself out of that guilt and shame. And so I kind of just wanted to reemphasize that and just how important our divine identity is because we can put all these judgments and things on us, but if we just tap into. Our true self, true divine self as a child of God. It’s like, okay, we can let all that go because I am loved as I am right here, right now.

And his love also inspires us to move forward too. One thing that I would like to hear from you guys is what is. A scripture or usually ask, what is your favorite divine worth? Scripture. So what is your favorite scripture or scripture that has, that helps you in these moments when, when you are feeling guilty?

Jill McAuley: I’ll start, I was thinking about this yesterday knowing, I’m anticipating this [00:33:00] question ’cause it’s such a good one, and I was like, oh wow. Scriptures about divine worth. I thought of actually related to service Messiah two 17, and when you’re in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God.

And I thought that brought those two things together really well, that because this suggests that we have divine value, but it also includes our capacity to serve others and to receive service that serving others is like, we’re serving God. So God is saying here that, that you are like God, like you are God, we still know that I am God.

Well, I’m God and you’re God. You know little G God in these instances. But that we all are divine. And when we are helping and blessing others, we’re recognizing they’re a divine identity. We’re seeing them. We’re really seeing people. And that is [00:34:00] helping us feel more connected to our Heavenly Father.

Jamie Moore: Yeah, I love that. I love that thought that that we can see each other’s true identities when we’re, when we’re serving one another and loving one another. and that it is through God’s master plan and design that that we get to do that and it is his work. And, so it’s a pleasure to be able to do that when we can.

So, Jamie, do you have a scripture too that Yeah, I of this kind of thought process of, seeing ourselves in our divine identities and I was just as studying, come follow me. And doctrine in Covenants 58, 3 and four three through four. And it says, you cannot behold with your natural eyes for the present time, the design of your God.

Concerning those things which shall come hereafter and the glory [00:35:00] which shall follow after much tribulation. For after much tribulation come, the blessings where for the day cometh, the ye shall be crowned with much glory. The hour is not yet, but is not at hand. And I just love like thinking of those things that you know, sometimes it.

We don’t see the beauty of the tribulation and the trials and what they have to offer us. Really in the moment. It’s not until, till after that we can really glean those little gems from our trials. But that God has. A plan for us that is so great. And the design that he has concerning the things which are to come, you know?

And I think that just gives a lot of hope. And, and I just I can’t believe that somebody that, that we have someone who loves us that much, that he [00:36:00] is. Going to, he’s creating this place for us to be. And so it just, it’s just really touchy to me, and I love to, to know that, he is in every detail and is our li in our lives completely.

And, we just have to kind of, remind ourselves to look in those terms and look in that light.

Karen Papin: That reminds me of President Nelson’s think Celestial. Right, right. Yes,

Jamie Moore: yes.

Karen Papin: Yeah. Awesome. Well, what is like one small and simple thing that listeners can do to take action on what we’ve been talking about today?

Jill McAuley: That’s a great question. Yeah. Faith is an action, right? It’s not, not a still object, but I think, I think. The aspect of giving service, I think just ask people what they need. Sometimes we assume that people need something, [00:37:00] but instead, I always appreciate when someone, what can I do for you and then receiving service.

I think just be willing. Sometimes I resist my ministering sister, you know, she asks me what she can do and, oh, I’m fine, but it’s okay. Really just remember that it is okay to ask for help and that we are allowing God’s plan to work in our lives and the lives of others when we remain humble and grateful for.

Hands and feet that can do service and a willing heart.

Jamie Moore: Yeah. That we can lift each other. I just think that’s amazing and I think super simple things too. Like, I, a thought was brought to my mind that. Just being someone to smile or inquire about someone’s day.

I mean, it can be to anybody. Those very simple [00:38:00] things that being a friend, you know, can just really change someone’s day. And so, even just those simple ways that we can serve our fellow men that if we. Can just be in the mindset of what can I do today to lift someone’s burden?

and, that I think will change our lives in ways we, can’t even imagine. It just those little simple things that could help both us and somebody else.

Karen Papin: Jamie and Jill, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today and being willing to share your story and, and the things that you’ve learned from your experiences and just it, it’s been great talking.

Like, I feel like I can keep talking about this. It’s, it’s just good. So thank you so much for coming today. Thank you. We really

Jamie Moore: appreciate it.

Jill McAuley: Yeah. Thanks so much, Karen.

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